Another new Brexit thread

[Vic]

You neglected to notice the key phrase 'serious and persistent breaches' but it probably wouldn't get that far, I think Hungary will just scupper the new extension request and we'll be out.

Revocation then.

 

[mcfc1632]

I pointed it out on here last Tuesday only @Ric responded.

Now I am mainly having a smile - but I am sure that I saw some bollocks on here recently about the Treason act and something about Boris being prosecuted

Well I am sure that he has not been guilty of directly colluding with foreign powers to overturn the plans of the UK government

..... I am being light-hearted

 

[Vic]

I am surprised not to have seen discussed the 'reported collusion' between the Remainers that have been doing the drafting of the legislation and the EU.

Does this not strike others as being somewhat outrageous?

Do you think our sovereign Parliament should not consult our European friends when they draft legislation that obliges the EU to do something? That would be the sort of self-centred isolationist arrogance that got us here. (No idea if it did happen, mind.)

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Revocation then.

Not with the law as it stands

Do you think our sovereign Parliament should not consult our European friends when they draft legislation that obliges the EU to do something? That would be the sort of self-centred isolationist arrogance that got us here. (No idea if it did happen, mind.)

I think his issue is with parliament conducting it's own separate, parallel and contradictory negotiations to the official government ones. A fair point, but as you say we xanthine be sure thus did happen even if it very much seems that way.

 

[BobKowalski]

And yet all of the above would have us believe that they are protecting either 'democracy' or 'the will of the people'. The point being missed here whichever side you are on is the role played by the EU in our domestic politics. This for me personally is enough to make me want to leave the EU as if it were a burning building - quickly and fully.

The problem in three words. You cannot leave the EU ‘quickly and fully’. If you want to do it ‘quickly’ then it’s a Norway type solution . If you want to do it ‘fully’ then you need a decade or two and billions to burn. This has been pointed out on numerous occasions and the proof that it can’t be done ‘quickly and fully’ is the shitshow we are currently witnessing. If you still cannot grasp this after three years then you never will.

And seriously this ‘oh look at me I’m being so even handed about all of this but I just can’t help but side with leave’ bollocks shite is fooling no one.

 

[mcfc1632]

It got filed alongside Brexit MEP’s and Tory MP’s lobbying Poland and their new best mate the anti-Semitic leader of Hungary to veto an extension.

Not that either country is going to do shit but reason and common sense has been dissolved in the acid bath that is Brexit.

Really?? - that must be conveniently hoped for by Remainers

People that are open minded - i.e. not dyed in the wool Leave of Remain - might just wonder if the proof that government representatives have deliberately colluded with the other party in which the UK is seeking negotiate with on the drafting of legislation that will negate the capability of the UK to negotiate.

They may not be quick to draw lazy comparisons with such hard factual evidence of this having occurred with the rumours some people maybe/perhaps/considered whether...…..

I can see why Remainers would wish for such considerations to disappear under the weight of other rumours instigated as part of project fear

 

[Kazzydeyna]

I am saying a left wing government delivers it better than a government in hoc to capitalism. Trickle down economics, the great dream of neo-liberalism has failed the nation miserably and we have the situation where the 6th richest nation on the planet is one of the most unequal, where thousands are homeless, foodbanks are necessary, the disabled have their welfare cut, people are sanctioned for being a minute late for an appointment, getting a doctors appointment is like getting a derby ticket, nurses have to pay to be educated, Junior doctors are worked to the bone, teachers are leaving the profession in droves, schools have to ask parents to buy toilet rolls and books, the roads are full of potholes, the army is the smallest since Napoleonic times, the navy could sail on Platt lane boating lake,unions are powerless, there is a lack of police, fire stations are closed, the young leave Uni with huge debt, rents are ridiculous, people cant save for a deposit for home, the minimum wage is a joke, pensioners will be forced to pay to watch TV, libraries are being closed, local government is falling apart, social services are on their arse, the NHS is underfunded, school buildings have leaking roofs, the rail network is laughable, heavy industry is non existant, the high streets are like ghost towns, knife crime is out of control, drug abuse is rampant, mental health provision is virtually nil, universal credit is a failure, the car industry has gone, we don't build ships anymore, there is not enough homes built, the ambulance service is outsourced, prisons are schools for criminals, the environment is fucked, the oil boom money was wasted, people have to work longer than ever, the arts are suffering, museums are closing, Parliament Is falling down, waiting times in hospital are up, child poverty is rising, pensioner poverty is up, child benefit cut, tax credits gone, the buses are a mess, the northern powerhouse a pipe dream, VAT is up, scientific research is down and that is just of the top of my head.

But tax cuts give you choice...………….apparently!!!!!!!

When you take the above into consideration is not exactly a ringing endorsement of capitalism is it, in fact it is a disaster for the nation unless you have wealth and the above does not matter because you are above society, you are an individual and you matter most, the people can go and fuck themselves as I want a new Porsche.

Quite simply, and I mean this sincerely, the best post I've read on here for ages.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The problem in three words. You cannot leave the EU ‘quickly and fully’. If you want to do it ‘quickly’ then it’s a Norway type solution . If you want to do it ‘fully’ then you need a decade or two and billions to burn. This has been pointed out on numerous occasions and the proof that it can’t be done ‘quickly and fully’ is the shitshow we are currently witnessing. If you still cannot grasp this after three years then you never will.

And seriously this ‘oh look at me I’m being so even handed about all of this but I just can’t help but side with leave’ bollocks shite is fooling no one.

Sorry if I've upset you by attempting to respect views other than my own. As you can imagine, your approval means a lot to me so I'm now rather upset myself.

 

[mcfc1632]

Not with the law as it stands

I think his issue is with parliament conducting it's own separate, parallel and contradictory negotiations to the official government ones. A fair point, but as you say we xanthine be sure thus did happen even if it very much seems that way.

That is exactly the point I was making - thanks

There are established procedures and processes and nominated individuals that are responsible for the conducting of negotiations/interaction with our EU friends and partners - this would appear to be a seriously irresponsible act that can only undermine the UK government by inviting the EU to be involved in the drafting of legislation that is intended to constrain the UK government in its negotiations with the EU.

Leavers would be rightly shocked if the Leave supporting government acted outside the due processes and procedures - I would be surprised if Remainers have lower expectations of their representatives.

 

[mcfc1632]

And seriously this ‘oh look at me I’m being so even handed about all of this but I just can’t help but side with leave’ bollocks shite is fooling no one.

We have been asked to post with calmness and respect and not be insulting or argumentative

I think that MSC stands out as an exemplar of the requested behaviour

Such calmness is surely something that posters on both sides - myself included - should seek to emulate in my opinion.