I think you might be missing the point blue.Hold the back pages.
We leave the EU and if no trade deal is arranged because of any reason we well......leave the EU.
And their former colleagues still cherish No Deal.One of the big assumptions from Johnson is that he can convince most of the 21 members he kicked out of the party to vote through his deal and I am not convinced that he can do that. Let's not forget what they were actually sacked for voting for an extension and fundamently they are being asked to vote against that now by accepting the deal. It is quite conceivable that they don't like the deal or would prefer 2nd referendum attached to it. They have nothing to lose they have had the whip removed and effectively have a free vote on this.
The No Deal threat still on the table.
You’re bound to get a great Trade Arrangement.
I think this perhaps is the real plan.
This pretty much echoes my perspective.From a timing perspective that is true. But please understand I am on record saying that Boris is fuckwit, a buffoon and someone for whom I have little or no respect. I'll dig out my posts on the subject if you wish.
But yes I am a Tory, and were it Corbyn who was driving towards some position or other, I'd probably find it much more difficult to fall in line and support it. A fair cop in that respect.
But at the end of the day mate, what's really changed in my thinking is, I've had enough of this shit. After 3.5 years of it, I want us to move on one way or another. I am almost beyond caring: just get the fuck on with it. And it's dawned on me that it is NEVER going away unless we leave. 17.4m voters have "right" on their side and would be justified in never letting it drop if we don't leave. 16.1m voters have no such claim and will have to accept it when we do.
This is the biggest weekend in Johnson’s political career.
If he gets it through then he’ll genuinely be Prime Minister for the next 5 years at least, maybe 10.
He knows this and therefore is absolutely desperate to get this through.
His tabloid mates have piled on the pressure and Saturday will be one of the biggest moments in the history of the House of Commons.
It’s 21st century D-Day, just thankfully no one has to give their lives.
I think you might be missing the point blue.
If I'm a labour MP caught in two minds whether to vote for this deal or not, and I hear that Gove is saying this deal could still lead to no deal to extreme brexiteers, how do you think that I would feel?
I'd certainly expect at least one or two to be put off.
Fcuks sake. You're wrong on this poll and it 's conclusions were challenged by other pollsters.Yes I agree no point in arguing as that was an aggregate of four polls, the most recent ones!
Then why are all the crypto-fascists in the ERG wanking into a sock at the prospect?Of course a FTA will be agreed.
So many desperately trying to invent scenarios that will never come to pass to still at this last hour stop brexit.
Varadkar, Johnson, Tusk etc etc all piss in the same pot. Sure they differ politically and will disagree and often dislike each other but they operate in the exact same world and understand that for the world to operate they all have to agree with each other every now and then, especially when trade and money is concerned.
Boom Boom!!No deal is never happening.
Where does the deal say that workers rights will be damaged? Is because the point has been moved into a non-binding section of text? Maybe I'm being naive but doesn't the deal put those worker's rights in the hands of the people? Why would they be affected therefore?You been smoking Rascal?
It's not optimism, merely a reflection that Labour have a mountain to climb in order to become the largest party. They finished 56 seats behind the Tories last time when voting was neck and neck. And right now they are not neck and neck, they are -15 points behind in the polls. If there was an election on that basis tomorrow, the Tories would probably have a majority of something like 80 and have maybe 160 more MPs than Labour.
So to turn that around to Labour being the biggest party, is pretty much inconceivable, IMO.
Could?Fcuks sake. You're wrong on this poll and it 's conclusions were challenged by other pollsters.
But I conceded that polls have generally not moved significantly to remain so what's the point of going into detail on a football forum on a contested recent poll.
More importantly you ignored my reply on your "time to move on comment", as in fact Brexit could dominate British politics for years to come.
I don't *think* it will either mate.No deal is never happening.
No Deal.Fair point.
From our perspective, we’d have taken this three years ago but he/his current cabinet wouldn’t have voted it through anyway.
Why now?
Do they see another twist further down the line perhaps?
If I was in the UK tbf I'd be slightly worried at the demise of Labour in Scotland and the free hand that seems to have given the Tories, who are taking neoliberalism to ridiculous levels.Where does the deal say that workers rights will be damaged? Is because the point has been moved into a non-binding section of text? Maybe I'm being naive but doesn't the deal put those worker's rights in the hands of the people? Why would they be affected therefore?
Then why are all the crypto-fascists in the ERG wanking into a sock at the prospect?
I don't think people fully understand how shit this deal is. If this goes through we have just over 12 months to sort out a trade deal or everything falls away. 12 months in which we will get screwed by the EU and come out the other end a much poorer nation. The idea the tories are nearly home and dry is way far of the mark. This is just the begging of brexit and it gets really shit from here on - the next stage is where the real damage will be done.
Thanks for explaining my thinking for me. Pratt.It's really simple, if Labour were saying we must leave on this deal and the Cons were offering a second ref, you'd be wanting a second ref with the Tories. Your change of mind is because, and whether Boris is a buffoon or not, your priorities are the Tories and avoiding a Corbyn government is what matters to you. Good luck to you, we're all like that in some way but let's not kid ourselves.
Where does the deal say that workers rights will be damaged? Is because the point has been moved into a non-binding section of text? Maybe I'm being naive but doesn't the deal put those worker's rights in the hands of the people? Why would they be affected therefore?
Fcuks sake. You're wrong on this poll and it 's conclusions were challenged by other pollsters.
But I conceded that polls have generally not moved significantly to remain so what's the point of going into detail on a football forum on a contested recent poll.
More importantly you ignored my reply on your "time to move on comment", as in fact Brexit could dominate British politics for years to come.
Sorry- "Will".Could?