Var debate 2019/20

Compared to the one Mane got in their last game it was as stone wall as they come

I agree with that. Two different games, two different refs, two different views etc. But that is where VAR should come on to remove those inconsistencies. Sadly not being implemented that way.
 
Well you can expect that to be overturned at old Trafford today with a scouse penalty via var.
And Riley, when asked to explain why VAR overruled the referee in that particular case whilst ignoring all other suspect or plainly incorrect referee decisions thus far, will say “we have listened to the feedback from the fans, clubs, and media and have integrated that in to officiating the biggest match of the season. However, it appears that everyone is unhappy with this new approach, so we will revert to the previous one for the remainder of the season. Now, please excuse me while I count the... err, documents in these completely not suspicious brown envelopes I have just been handed.”
 
Just watched the unsuccessful Deulofeu penalty claim on MOTD against Tottenham. A ridiculous decision which affected the game’s outcome.

On present form, VAR is too often being used in a binary way: to either back up or overturn a referee’s decision. But it’s supposed to assist the ref - hence the “A” in VAR. I’m pretty sure if that ref had had the opportunity to review pitch-side, he’d have awarded the penalty.

EDIT: Same with the KDB incident, but I’m sure that’s already had good coverage on here.
 
A global audience of several hundred billion and the fucking mugs don't realise that the outcome has been predetermined.
I think you underestimate the influence the Rags still have, this is one game where the Dippers don't have an unfair advantage via dodgy officials.

Going back 12 seconds to find a reason why a Rag goal would be chalked off as happened to Chelsea will not be an option, never forget the influence Gill and his cronies carry.
 
Just watched the unsuccessful Deulofeu penalty claim on MOTD against Tottenham. A ridiculous decision which affected the game’s outcome.

On present practice VAR is too being used in a binary way: to either back up or overturn a referee’s decision. Guess what? But it’s supposed to assist the ref - hence the “A” in VAR. I’m pretty sure if that ref had had the opportunity to review pitch-side, he’d have awarded the penalty.

I thought city’s was bad but that was another level of bent.

It’s absolutely ruining football. Lots of people in lots of clubs will not renew season tickets next year
 
Even before VAR, all Riley has ever been interested in, is protecting referee reputation, not justice. Decisions on the pitch were rarely overturned with red card reviews etc.

VAR is the perfect situation for him. On pitch decisions are still, by and large, not being overturned and everyone is talking about VAR, not the referee.
 
A global audience of several hundred billion and the fucking mugs don't realise that the outcome has been predetermined.
WWE have got away with it for years the millions that watch it know it's predetermined but it's still entertainment.
 
Actually it’s quite the opposite. VAR stands for Video Assistant Referee, a match official who reviews video footage of the game. ‘It’ is therefore a sentient being. Not only that, in every other league that uses a VAR, all those decisions yesterday would have been reviewed on the field by the actual referee.

I’m more referring to the use of language. The post I quoting was clearly referring to the system and process rather than person. Thanks for your input though.
 
Just watched the unsuccessful Deulofeu penalty claim on MOTD against Tottenham. A ridiculous decision which affected the game’s outcome.

On present form, VAR is too often being used in a binary way: to either back up or overturn a referee’s decision. But it’s supposed to assist the ref - hence the “A” in VAR. I’m pretty sure if that ref had had the opportunity to review pitch-side, he’d have awarded the penalty.

EDIT: Same with the KDB incident, but I’m sure that’s already had good coverage on here.

Exactly.

Is it pride or not wanting to undermine the onfield ref? The Deulofeu one on review was definitely a penalty - what should happen is the ref in the VAR office should be saying to the ref he needs to look at it on the pitch side monitors and then they can discuss the incident together -not just talking him through what they have seen. You can see why the ref hasnt given it from behind the play where he was but from infront with that camera angle you can see its a penalty.

The kdb one for me Is harder to tell. Zaha seems to push him but id like to see a side angle of whether he does or not - Zaha's arms are definitely up but I cannt ell from the front or back whether he makes any or limited contact with KDB
 
I was thinking recently as well;

this whole not wanting to overrule the red is bullshit.

the ref gave the goal against Tottenham and then it was overruled by VAR And ruled out.

it’s an excuse they hide behind to not give decisions they should have but didn’t want to.

It's also so obvious because sometimes they (Sky or BT) split the screen and show us what VAR is looking at... There were also a couple of moments in the CL last year when the ref went over to watch the screen, and the VAR camera split on the BT was perfect synchronised.... Which proves that the broadcasters have a live VAR feed which shows what's being looked at in the room in real time.

So why do they sometimes show the camera? And sometimes not...?

The answer is, like I think you mean the Laporte "handball", the VAR room are watching all kind of replays angles to FIND a reason to rule the goal out. Hence long delay and no live VAR feed....
 
It was hardly the biggest error in the world, just being ridiculously promoted on here as if it was the gravest of errors to suit the narrative.

In real time it would have been a very difficult decision to make.
You are such a WUM. Entire pub yesterday in real time including fans of other clubs all said penalty. There is no reasonable explanation for not giving it in real time nor after a review. Only logical explanation is the refs are either useless, bent or both. We get it and after watching Pep’s post match interview he gets it. You are the only one who doesn’t.
 
It was hardly the biggest error in the world, just being ridiculously promoted on here as if it was the gravest of errors to suit the narrative.

In real time it would have been a very difficult decision to make.

The real Frank is back.

You start off nice and slowly, reel some in and then bang, go full on contrary and wum.

You might be a blue Frank but fuck me you are a dick at times on here and other than winding blues up which you know you do, i dont quite get your motivation?
 
It's also so obvious because sometimes they (Sky or BT) split the screen and show us what VAR is looking at... There were also a couple of moments in the CL last year when the ref went over to watch the screen, and the VAR camera split on the BT was perfect synchronised.... Which proves that the broadcasters have a live VAR feed which shows what's being looked at in the room in real time.

So why do they sometimes show the camera? And sometimes not...?

The answer is, like I think you mean the Laporte "handball", the VAR room are watching all kind of replays angles to FIND a reason to rule the goal out. Hence long delay and no live VAR feed....
100% agreed!
 
According to match of the day there hasn't been a single decision overturned in favour of the attacking team for the whole season. IE the bar for "clear and obvious" is so high that it will only be implemented about once a season, if that. We attack more than every team bar Liverpool, and that's why we are especially attuned to how it's playing out. Put another way, it's not a conspiracy but we are "victims" of the way the system has been implemented.

The system is crying out for somebody within the game, other than managers and players, to come out and acknowledge that the referees on the pitch not good enough at applying the laws of the game. VAR is, by clear and obvious misapplication, maintaining that those errors are allowed to stand. Both the Deulofeu and de Bruyne penalties were clear to anyone with limited sight that it was an error, and both incidents showed that referees on the field had made an error! What more is required of the system? Just own up that only football of all the major sports given the best technology available will bugger it up beyond any level of belief that the system has improved the decision making!
 

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