He’s since said it’s something he runs over in his mind, whether it was the right thing to do, all the time.
Considering the **** should be answering war crime charges at The Hague I would’ve thought that’s the last thing that should be on his mind
It was specifically about Esther McVey but regardless of whether you like the woman or not (I do get that many don’t) his comments were totally inappropriate and he even justified them when asked to explain them ... but you guys keep defending these people... all’s fair in love and war I suppose
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/john-mcdonnell-lynching-personal-abuse-jeremy-corbyn-esther-mcvey-labour-conference-a7328876.html?amp
You’re not wrong, well everyone can be bought just in different ways but anyway, even Blair would agree with you about him getting Murdoch on side.
He’s since said it’s something he runs over in his mind, whether it was the right thing to do, all the time.
However he does feel that without the media on side, he wouldn’t have been able to gain such a majority and the positive policies he wanted to implement wouldn’t have become reality.
Now people will criticise him for as long as he’s remembered but there were many positives from his reign as leader.
Iraq is his legacy.
If he'd stood up to W rather than suck his pole he would have been seen as a progressive PM. Introduction of minimum wages. Paid annual leave for all. EMA. Surestart. He did a lot of good with the majority he had in parliament.
Within the party he removed all democracy from the CLP's. Parachuted his mates into safe seats. Dictated policy to the members rather than the other way around.
The dodgy dossier, Dr Kelly and Iraq are what his legacy will be.
What do you mean by “you guys”?
I don’t defend Labour MPs whatever the cost on here, must have me mistaken for someone else.
I like to be objective and yes that is a very poor comment and people make mistakes.
He does often come across as a reasonable man, despite his views being on the more radical perimeter of UK politics and he speaks well normally.
Well it depends which side of the argument you come from with those views.
His foreign policy, when you look at each individual aspect as number to be counted was more positive than not. For every Iraq there was the Balkans, Norther Ireland, Sierra Leone etc.
I don’t want to get into an argument but Corbyn’s got a lot to answer for too and he’s not even made it into Downing St yet.
Sorry in that case for the sweeping generalisation... Voters, just like football fans, are partisan but it's nice to hear you say that about not defending the indefensible. In this case McDonnell was given a chance to retract his comment but he justified it... Not sure in the timing whether this was before or after the Jo Cox murder but regardless it was unacceptable and his steadfast refusal to retract it is the mark of the man...
I'd wager you are in a small group who are capable of doing thatI’ve voted for all of the biggest parties and the last one I voted for was the LibDems, I’m about as non-partisan when it comes to individual parties as you can be.
I'd wager you are in a small group who are capable of doing that
Shoot me but IF Labour could find a credible leader with credible policies I might consider them. Sadly I don't see that happening in the near future
The Lib-Dems are a laughing stock under Swinson so they are out
That's a shame isn't it... I am in a Labour safe seat as I'm exiled in Hawarden so I'm screwed tooThere’s a chance I won’t vote this time or I’ll vote for a local independent candidate.
That's a shame isn't it... I am in a Labour safe seat as I'm exiled in Hawarden so I'm screwed too
The majority was ~11% last time so no change on the cards
You mean the parties, or the individuals?Labour are dead where I am - it’s always a shoot out between Tory and LibDems and I can’t stand either of them.
Great post....I'll start by saying that Brexit clouds everything of course. But through that fog, the extremely concerning evidence (if you are a Labour supporter) is still plain to see.
We've had now nearly 9 years of if not full on austerity, then close to it. Only very recently have any spending brakes come off and the benefits have still not filtered through. And we've had a Tory PM who was very commonly perceived as being dreadful (Theresa May) being replaced, without a GE, by another who is polarizing to say the least.
These are usually dire times for incumbent governments. The public are usually tired of the same old rhetoric from the party in power and are ripe for a change. Only exceptional leaders such as Thatcher or Blair typically survive. And we've seen none of that. So in these circumstances, Labour should be MILES ahead. We should not be debating about how much the Tory lead is, and whether Labour can catch up in a GE. This is not the starting point you expect from a properly functioning opposition.
Corbyn has the uniquely unenviable achievement of being able to *lose* by-elections whilst in opposition. This is unheard of. And his approval rating is the lowest of any opposition leader since records began. He is less popular than Michael foot when he lost the GE to Margaret Thatcher in 1982. He is -16% down on Ed Milliband's popularity and makes Ian Duncan Smith seem like a folk hero.
He - and his toxic cohorts - are driving the Labour party into the dirt, and it seems normal, reasonable Labour MPs are powerless to do anything about it.
I wonder what it is that makes Jezza as popular as dandruff?I'll start by saying that Brexit clouds everything of course. But through that fog, the extremely concerning evidence (if you are a Labour supporter) is still plain to see.
We've had now nearly 9 years of if not full on austerity, then close to it. Only very recently have any spending brakes come off and the benefits have still not filtered through. And we've had a Tory PM who was very commonly perceived as being dreadful (Theresa May) being replaced, without a GE, by another who is polarizing to say the least.
These are usually dire times for incumbent governments. The public are usually tired of the same old rhetoric from the party in power and are ripe for a change. Only exceptional leaders such as Thatcher or Blair typically survive. And we've seen none of that. So in these circumstances, Labour should be MILES ahead. We should not be debating about how much the Tory lead is, and whether Labour can catch up in a GE. This is not the starting point you expect from a properly functioning opposition.
Corbyn has the uniquely unenviable achievement of being able to *lose* by-elections whilst in opposition. This is unheard of. And his approval rating is the lowest of any opposition leader since records began. He is less popular than Michael foot when he lost the GE to Margaret Thatcher in 1982. He is -16% down on Ed Milliband's popularity and makes Ian Duncan Smith seem like a folk hero.
He - and his toxic cohorts - are driving the Labour party into the dirt, and it seems normal, reasonable Labour MPs are powerless to do anything about it.
You mean the parties, or the individuals?
If the former, why not take a look at the candidates themselves and see what they stand for? We had an excellent local MP in Steve Webb (Lib Dem) for many years and were it not for me being an ardent Tory, I may well have voted for him. I nearly did on a number of occasions. He did great things for the local area and was far better IMO than the now incumbent Tory.
I see your dilemma. Our form of democracy certainly has its issues.Where I am now we have a Tory MP who was a May ally who is standing down at the next election. God knows who we will get to replace her but she was terrible, as was the Tory MP before.
Either way we don't have a choice though and I will probably vote Tory again without even finding anything out about the candidates. The Labour candidate last time was a Momentum drone so expecting similar and no doubt the Lib Dem candidate will be plastering revoke around in a 60% leave area...!
Put this into comparison with the area I used to live in next door. Excellent Labour MP (he is the deputy speaker) who I'd vote for no problem on a personal level. It is just a massive pity that any vote for him would be a vote for Corbyn.
These are the kind of crap decisions that people are going to have to make.
Iraq is his legacy.
If he'd stood up to W rather than suck his pole he would have been seen as a progressive PM. Introduction of minimum wages. Paid annual leave for all. EMA. Surestart. He did a lot of good with the majority he had in parliament.
Within the party he removed all democracy from the CLP's. Parachuted his mates into safe seats. Dictated policy to the members rather than the other way around.
The dodgy dossier, Dr Kelly and Iraq are what his legacy will be.
Blair was the best (least worst) leader you've ever had. By miles.Don't forget PFI, the housing crisis, part-privatisation of the NHS and many others.
I don't like Corbyn but Corbyn is the reaction to Blair.
Yet still a ****...Blair was the best (least worst) leader you've ever had. By miles.