bluethrunthru
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The take this morning in the news seems to be that a snap election more often than not doesn't favour the incumbent and the big threat to Johnson is the Lib Dems leeching votes away from the Tories.
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The take this morning in the news seems to be that a snap election more often than not doesn't favour the incumbent and the big threat to Johnson is the Lib Dems leeching votes away from the Tories.
Chippy_boy
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Who knows. Most people seem to suggest the Lib Dems leeching votes away from Labour is a bigger threat. If we imagine that a large part of the electorate will vote along Brexit lines, then considering that part of the electorate only... Anyone Brexiter on the right or centre will very likely vote Tory. But any Remainer on the left or centre may not vote for Corbyn, but might vote Lib Dem. Corbyn is deeply unpopular amongst many Labour voters and absolutely toxic to anyone who is not a devout Labour supporter.The take this morning in the news seems to be that a snap election more often than not doesn't favour the incumbent and the big threat to Johnson is the Lib Dems leeching votes away from the Tories.
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The hilarious thing about the SNP is that all their anti- Brexit points can be turned on their own independence stance. Has anyone asked how when they gain independence and remain EU member they propose to deal with the hard border at Carlisle and the queues of lorries?It would be the ultimate irony if the Conservatives went into a confidence and supply arrangement with Sinn Fein, but they are the only party that would be anywhere near supporting the Johnson Withdrawal Agreement unamended as it is a clear step towards a united Ireland.
Won't happen though.
What would be more likely would be the SNP helping them if they can get a referendum in return, but only if the EU had signalled to them they could join the EU fairly quickly in the event of independence. Even that is unlikely because if they are quite likely to get their indyref anyway as a quid pro quo for a lot less than a full confidence and supply agreement.
BXP will be nowhere. They were a flash in the pan and have already nearly disappeared as Johnson has stolen their clothes.
Bluemanc100
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a muppet puppetHe's a peevish puppet.
Chippy_boy
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I don't see the BXP getting many (any actually) seats. I think the Tories need to get at least 321 seats (322?) or they cannot be the next government. (650 - 7 Sinn Fein - 1 Speaker)/2 = 321.The BXP sounds ideal for them then.
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Just when this thing can't get any madder, Tories and SinnFein?!? Have the families of Ian Gow and Airey Neave been informed?It would be the ultimate irony if the Conservatives went into a confidence and supply arrangement with Sinn Fein, but they are the only party that would be anywhere near supporting the Johnson Withdrawal Agreement unamended as it is a clear step towards a united Ireland.
Won't happen though.
What would be more likely would be the SNP helping them if they can get a referendum in return, but only if the EU had signalled to them they could join the EU fairly quickly in the event of independence. Even that is unlikely because if they are quite likely to get their indyref anyway as a quid pro quo for a lot less than a full confidence and supply agreement.
BXP will be nowhere. They were a flash in the pan and have already nearly disappeared as Johnson has stolen their clothes.
journolud
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So lets say for shits and giggles American companies can produce savings?
Still bad or a good thing?
What is so inherently wrong all of a sudden with American companies?
Are people guilty of letting their anti Donald bias pollute our their thoughts when it comes to America, our biggest ally and export market by country?
You are being disingenuous but for shits and giggles I'll play along...
Of course it would be great if we could reduce our drugs bill by entering into a great trade deal with the US but there are no "sources" suggesting that US drug companies are lobbying to give us a further discount as opposed to those, alledgedly, wanting to up the cost to the NHS to more accurately reflect what the American consumer has to pay. Do you think an increase in our drug bill by the amount that was mentioned in the Dispatches programme you aid you watched would be a price worth paying for a trade deal?
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blueinsa
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You are being disingenuous but for shits and giggles I'll play along...
Of course it would be great if we could reduce our drugs bill by entering into a great trade deal with the US but there are no "sources" suggesting that US drug companies are lobbying to give us a further discount as opposed to those, alledgedly, wanting to up the cost to the NHS to more accurately reflect what the American consumer has to pay. Do you think an increase in our drug bill by the amount that was mentioned in the Dispatches programme you aid you watched would be a price worth paying for a trade deal?
Allegedly........
That sums up your opinion on this to a tee.
Ifwecouldjust.......
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So lets say for shits and giggles American companies can produce savings?
Still bad or a good thing?
What is so inherently wrong all of a sudden with American companies?
Are people guilty of letting their anti Donald bias pollute our their thoughts when it comes to America, our biggest ally and export market by country?
You are aware that in the USA the cost of a pack of 36 Aspirin (slow release) is $9.54 this morning (that works out at £7.50)
Tescos charge less than 60p
You did know that before you posted ..... right?
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You are aware that in the USA the cost of a pack of 36 Aspirin (slow release) is $9.54 this morning (that works out at £7.50)
Tescos charge less than 60p
You did know that before you posted ..... right?
I do because rather than be prescribed drugs at stupid costs to the NHS, i self medicate when and wherever possible and will only take a prescription as the last resort.
Im also certain that the NHS with its buying power will source those aspirin from a cost effective source and if its from an American Pharma then so be it.
journolud
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Allegedly........
That sums up your opinion on this to a tee.
No it doesn't, I'm being careful with my language because the programme referred to "sources" and these things aren't verified. However only a fool would ignore the warnings or try and pretend that the big pharmaeutical companies won't try and maximise their profits given the opportuntiy. There are no sources, verified or not, suggesting that the US drug companies want to cut us a "very good deal"
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blueinsa
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No it doesn't, I'm being careful with my language because the programme referred to "sources" and these things aren't verified. However only a fool would ignore the warnings or try and pretend that the big pharmaeutical companies won't try and maximise their profits given the opportuntiy. There are no sources, verified or not, suggesting that the US drug companies want to cut us a "very good deal"
Which company wouldn't want to tender for contracts in what is multi £Billion pound service?
I honestly just dont get this anti Americans feeling that has suddenly found its voice at the exact same time Corbyn seems to have found it?
Bluemanc100
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I do because rather than be prescribed drugs at stupid costs to the NHS, i self medicate when and wherever possible and will only take a prescription as the last resort.
Im also certain that the NHS with its buying power will source those aspirin from a cost effective source and if its from an American Pharma then so be it.
It’s a pity that others refuse to do this. My own Mother takes bulk packs of Parecetamol as part of her prescribed drugs and no amount of comments from me have changed that “they’ll come in handy for somebody” and “I’ve paid my stamp” are the stock answers
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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That was yesterday...I thought labour were for a 2nd ref, not for remaining?
journolud
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Which company wouldn't want to tender for contracts in what is multi £Billion pound service?
I honestly just dont get this anti Americans feeling that has suddenly found its voice at the exact same time Corbyn seems to have found it?
They already have contracts but alledgedly want to change the terms of those contracts, a reminder for you of what was discussed in the programme tyou watched:
https://inews.co.uk/news/health/nhs-drugs-cost-brexit-trade-deal-usa-820816
Its nothing to do with being anti American and nothing to do with Corbyn's views, that is you deflecting.
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It’s a pity that others refuse to do this. My own Mother takes bulk packs of Parecetamol as part of her prescribed drugs and no amount of comments from me have changed that “they’ll come in handy for somebody” and “I’ve paid my stamp” are the stock answers
There is an onus on Doctors prescribing to understand fully that they are responsible for huge sums of public money and that all prescriptions given are 100% needed and not over the counter drugs that can be bought for a fraction of the price retail.
Of course those unable to afford will always get as their prescriptions are free but the rest of us should not be getting over the counter drugs on prescription.
Bluemanc100
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AgreedThere is an onus on Doctors prescribing to understand fully that they are responsible for huge sums of public money and that all prescriptions given are 100% needed and not over the counter drugs that can be bought for a fraction of the price retail.
Of course those unable to afford will always get as their prescriptions are free but the rest of us should not be getting over the counter drugs on prescription.
smudgedj
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You know we have google rightYou are aware that in the USA the cost of a pack of 36 Aspirin (slow release) is $9.54 this morning (that works out at £7.50)
Tescos charge less than 60p
You did know that before you posted ..... right?
So 300 delayed release aspirin $6.45
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So lets say for shits and giggles American companies can produce savings?
Still bad or a good thing?
What is so inherently wrong all of a sudden with American companies?
Are people guilty of letting their anti Donald bias pollute our their thoughts when it comes to America, our biggest ally and export market by country?
Nothing wrong with American companies. Just as long as they are not screwing us over. Same with any company.
The aim of US pharma companies lobbyists is ‘to ensure transparency, due process and appropriate value in pricing and reimbursements to US Pharma’. The aim of US trade negotiators in any U.K. trade deal, is along with market access, to ‘ensure Govt regulatory reimbursement regime is transparent and fair to US Pharma’.
Now ‘appropriate value’ means taking into account the money spent on research and development. In short no more NHS screwing us down. US negotiators will look to have that purchase power negated.
The US brief is to to protect US interests. Their mandate is published and is not a secret. US Pharma wants to sell us more product and secure a mechanism that allows for higher prices. That’s their job. Our job is not to give the shop away in return for a good headline in the Daily Mail.
Oh and given Trump has been handing our tariffs to all and sundry including threatening those the US has trade deals with then yes of course Trump is a factor. Only an idiot would discount it as a factor.
Chippy_boy
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And how would this "screwing us over" happen then Bob? Threat of a nuclear strike unless we buy from US pharma businesses at higher prices? We would IMO never agree to such meddling with market economics, and if we did, then we'd agree to it only if it was in our best interests. i.e. for some gain of greater value. Either way, no big deal at all. Just another stick for lefties with an agenda to try to blow out of all proportion and beat the Tories with. Nothing to see here whatsoever.Nothing wrong with American companies. Just as long as they are not screwing us over. Same with any company.
The aim of US pharma companies lobbyists is ‘to ensure transparency, due process and appropriate value in pricing and reimbursements to US Pharma’. The aim of US trade negotiators in any U.K. trade deal, is along with market access, to ‘ensure Govt regulatory reimbursement regime is transparent and fair to US Pharma’.
Now ‘appropriate value’ means taking into account the money spent on research and development. In short no more NHS screwing us down. US negotiators will look to have that purchase power negated.
The US brief is to to protect US interests. Their mandate is published and is not a secret. US Pharma wants to sell us more product and secure a mechanism that allows for higher prices. That’s their job. Our job is not to give the shop away in return for a good headline in the Daily Mail.
Oh and given Trump has been handing our tariffs to all and sundry including threatening those the US has trade deals with then yes of course Trump is a factor. Only an idiot would discount it as a factor.
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