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Ric said:
No, that’s quite clearly not what I said.
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It's not a "lack of critical thinking" for someone to point out an obvious hypocritical stance.

I'm more surprised people aren't more critical of the culture of shaming in order to bring others on side to their stance, which a lot of the time is what causes these whataboutery responses.
 
Ric said:
Indeed. It is if you completely ignore the initial criticism though. That’s kind of the point.
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It's not ignoring the initial criticism.

It's pointing out the purpose and intentions of raising the criticism, which is often to denigrate the subject as being something heinous, in order to influence others to oppose the subject as well. Yet at the same time, are fully aware that from their own side, usually to make a moral comaprison of someone/thing they advocate i.e. "at least the person I advocate has never done such a thing! Support this, not that!"

Naturally, this doesn't account for those who say "I am appalled at the actions of subject A! I was appalled when subject B did it, and was vocally opposed in equal measure, and I shall raise my opposition once again, especially as it is now the actions of one I oppose!"

Seriously, how often does that happen? People don't highlight a heinous action of their opponent after previously raising the issue and criticising someone they support. Why would you criticise you opponent for an action you abhore, yet STILL support your own advocate for having done the same thing and then using it as an argument to smear them?

It's more often than not done to use "moral outrage" to influence others. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, and if someone points out to you, by saying "well what about when YOUR advocate did it...?" and you continue to argue that your choice is better in spite of it, it's hypocritical to continue to raise the issue if you're not prepared to denigrate your own candidate.

TL;DR, it's not about deflecting, it's questioning the motive and highlighting the hypocrisy to use the subject matter to demean your opponent and use that as a reason to inform others not to give that person/group your support... when you'd (figuratively speaking) happily support your own candidate on the exact same criticism you've told others to not lend support to your opponent.
 
Ban-jani said:
No but I mean there is a difference. You pointing that out to a Utd fan then that’s you highlighting hypocrisy, if I question Johnson’s lies and someone says what about Corbyn’s lies then that’s whataboutism, as they don’t even know if I’m voting Labour.

Anyway it’s a small point and something I’m not that arsed about arguing for all night.
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Yep it’s become a standard deflection on here from a few posters. Any criticism of Johnson gets a irrelevant response about Corbyn without them taking into account that I can’t stand Corbyn either. It’s a bit sad that they can’t argue a point on its merits rather than just saying someone else does it so it’s no big deal.
 
west didsblue said:
Yep it’s become a standard deflection on here from a few posters. Any criticism of Johnson gets a irrelevant response about Corbyn without them taking into account that I can’t stand Corbyn either. It’s a bit sad that they can’t argue a point on its merits rather than just saying someone else does it so it’s no big deal.
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Works the other way too.
 
Banned Tosspot said:
Works the other way too.
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It absolutely does and being a floating voter, you see it happen on all sides.

A lot of people either don’t think Corbyn can put a foot wrong and similarly a lot don’t think Johnson can.

I know how they think because I can be like that with City but it’s much more dangerous in politics because you can end up defending someone who’s, for example, bigoted towards Muslims or antisemitic and you can do so all the way until they gain power and then we have issues.
 
Caught up with Thursday’s. The warning Cameron received that he’d unlock ‘dark forces’ by holding that referendum has well and truly come to fruit.

Bile and venom, mentions of a ‘liberal elite’, think Bannon came up with that phrase, in national television on the BBC, booing before even someone speaks, an 18 year old saying she wants another referendum because she couldn’t vote in the last and it’ll affect the rest of her life is shouted down.

We’ve reached a point of no return here.
 
blueinsa said:
Never knew @karen7 was in Greenpeace as well?
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I might apply to be on the show in Bolton next week.

On a side note as I can’t post anywhere. How marvellous to see boris reading the hulk to the kids today, holding a rabbit and singing wheels on the bus. He is fucking brilliant. He doesn’t give a fuck - just a proper man. Please god he gets a huge majority.
 
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