Another new Brexit thread

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Chippy_boy said:
And @Len Rum, do you know what REALLY fucks me off? It's people like you with your holier than fucking thou attitude, who seem to think that it's the moral high ground to take arbitrarily ever more money off people and that all Tories are uncaring bastards. Which is so fucking far from the truth you may as well be orbiting Jupiter. I am not even remotely rich, and yet I probably give more money in taxes and charitable donations than you've have ever fucking earned. I'm the schmuck who hands out fivers to the beggers on the fucking underground when no other **** will. And ditto the car washers in Tescos car park. And you have the fucking gaul to come out with shite like this, day in day out. Fucking pisses me off.
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bitter gall CB, I don't think he's French ;)
 
Chippy_boy said:
Len's EXTREMELY generous. With other peoples' money. Which makes him a good person, apparently.
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I get £50 a week from him. (or you)

Just turns up, don't have to do anything (I think...)

Unlike YOU. Capitalist, Tory scum.
 
Chippy_boy said:
How the fuck do I know what you earn? Maybe it's because of your transparent hatred of anyone with £5 more than you've got.

And I never said anything about owning a 2nd BMW Len, you made that up. I equated the extra Corbyn tax the cost BMW. But of course that doesn't sound so good does it, so you fucked about with it to suit your pathetic narrative, as per.
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You need help mate.
Just off to watch the tele.
I'll get back to you tomorrow with some life advice.
 
hgblue said:
Think about the marginals. Boris has recovered the vast majority or Tory Leavers by promising to get Brexit done. Tory Remainers aren’t going to vote for Corbyn. Labour Leavers voting for the Brexit Party reduces the amount of votes Labour will get. I’m really confident.
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I read it the same way as you

In the same way that so many Remain Tories will still vote Tory than for a Corbyn led Labour party - I think that there are also so many Leave Labour supporters that would never vote Tory

But they may vote BXP resulting in Tory gains
 
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Chippy_boy said:
I think you underestimate the number of people who voted Remain, but who now think we just have to get on with it. Of course there are many Leavers who will have seen they were conned and who will have changed their minds. We all understand that. But is that greater than the number of Remainers who are so sick of it, they just want it done? It's wild speculation I think to suggest that the net change is a big swing to Remain. In fact if anything, I'd suggest the opposite is true.

Of course if we got a second referendum then that would give everyone an easy way out and I am sure Brexit would be cancelled. But we are not there yet, and from where I am sitting right now, I think there's more people who want to get on with Brexit than not. Remember the HoC is hugely pro-Remain and yet even the passed the motion to take the WA bill to second reading. And they've never found a majority for revocation or Ref2. Surely if they felt the country had changed its mind, that would be an easy decision?
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I think most people don't want to "get on with Brexit". They want not to hear about it. Leaving means hearing about it for months and years to come as we try and fail to get new deals. Remaining would mean a lot of loud complaining but we could quickly move on back to normality.

Anyone thinking Leaving would "end uncertainty" (for industry, for farming etc) is deluded, with Tory infighting (and Farage sniping) over possibly not getting a FTA and some "clean break" idiots lobbying for No Deal. Investment will still stall without knowing how that internal Tory battle will end.
 
Vic said:
I think most people don't want to "get on with Brexit". They want not to hear about it. Leaving means hearing about it for months and years to come as we try and fail to get new deals. Remaining would mean a lot of loud complaining but we could quickly move on back to normality.
Anyone thinking Leaving would "end uncertainty" (for industry, for farming etc) is deluded, with Tory infighting (and Farage sniping) over possibly not getting a FTA and some "clean break" idiots lobbying for No Deal. Investment will still stall without knowing how that internal Tory battle will end.
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But we've got all these deals that would be ready to sign the day we left. Not another lie surely.
Two questions:
1) Is it a simple matter of moving to WTO rules the day after the transition period ends if we haven't got deals in place by then?
2) Why aren't the remain leaders stressing that the end of January isn't the end of the negotiations but just the start of a new phase?
 
East Level 2 said:
But we've got all these deals that would be ready to sign the day we left. Not another lie surely.
Two questions:
1) Is it a simple matter of moving to WTO rules the day after the transition period ends if we haven't got deals in place by then?
2) Why aren't the remain leaders stressing that the end of January isn't the end of the negotiations but just the start of a new phase?
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Just a quick reminder that we would be the only country in the world trading solely under WTO rules.
 
I'm not sure I welcome the reactivation of the thread, but:

If a Labour led coalition (with or without Corbyn) negotiated an "oven ready" deal that meant "we could be like Norway" (Farage) and kept us in a FTZ from Iceland to the Russian border (official Leave campaign policy) would people vote for that in a referendum? Farage would (now) say it's BRINO, and other hardliners (and dissemblers like Gove) would say we'd be rule takers not rule makers, while staunch Remainers would say yes we would so we might as well stay in and still have our influence and our opt outs.

I'll probably leave you to it. Places to go, people to phone.

Edit: I think in those circumstances Farage would vote Remain as it's not really Brexit - and it keeps him in the European Parliament
 
I pop back on here every so often but nothing much changes.
Still the same people in denial about the referendum result,
Still the same people belittling the choice of others they disagree with,
Still the same people oblivious to themselves exhibiting the borderline racism they so decry in others!

I have never had a issue with people being remainers, indeed many of my friends are, the difference is they just dont have that nasty mentality that so many have on here.

I often listen to LBC these days. I like the partiality some of the presenters exhibit. I find Eddie Mair quite balanced out of all of them. What is also very obvious is the way James O'Brien derides anyone who he disagrees with over brexit, to the point of being extremely rude nearly every time. I guess he has a lot of fans on here from the mob remainers.

I hope people get a few mirrors at Christmas, a good look in the mirror might do a few some good.

Ho Hum
 
Gaudion M said:
Public opinion has been moving away from brexit for the last 3 years. And when you look to the leave side you have to ask what type of leaver - how many who voted to leave want a hard / no deal brexit. The popularity of brexit is massively overplayed by the tories.
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What, exactly, is a 'Hard' Brexit? The agreed WA involves leaving the customs union and single market, which was
what we were told, ad nauseum, that's what would happen, everyone knew it, because these are the basic tenets of the EU,
so if we vote to leave, we, quite obviously, leave these two.
It's only the losers of the referendum that coin this term, it's a ridiculous term that means nothing at all, other than leaving
the EU.
 
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