General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%
  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%

  • Total voters
    518
i had chest pains on Monday, phoned the docs - 2 week wait !!!! absolute joke

went A&E and got seen within the hour
Hope it was nothing serious, but that's exactly the problem we can't be sure and take the risk of waiting, that and lack of services for elderley and post hospital services put strains on hospitals that are unneeccesary
 
The levels of waste in the NHS are still absolutely staggering as well. I do not know anyone who has had a long term illness whose house does not look like a pharmacy with unused drugs stuffed in every cupboard. Sometimes given absolutely free as if they are sweeties.

Only on Tuesday, my wife took back to the pharmacy 5, yes 5 inhalers unused, but rendered completely useless since the mother-in-law had opened them and said "it's not like my old ones" and ordered another one. My wife felt bad and was apologising, to which the pharmacists replied, without a care in the world, "don't you worry about it love - it's important your mum has these so whenever she phones up we're happy to send them". Not even a hint at the irritation of the hundreds of pounds wasted, because guess what - it's not her money and she didn't care.

And then the was the £3,500 portable "concentrator" my mother-in-law fancied, so she could get out and about a bit more. Duly ordered and received without a thought. Never used in the 3+ years she's had it. Has anyone asked if she uses it? No. Anyone asked for it back? No. No-one gives a toss.
I'm sensing a bit of friction between you and your mother in law.
Am I close?
 
Yep, afraid so. 650 constituencies, 650 MPs, only one vote.

We had a referendum in 2011 to change the system to something similar to Ireland but it was defeated by a big margin. Both main parties came out against it (no doubt for party political reasons), and I think the polling at the time suggested the public found it too complicated.

Personally, I'd be in favour of a much simpler PR system and I think that's the only way in which PR advocates would win a referendum on it.
Have to be honest, I find that crazy in this day and age.
Proportional Representation is exactly what it says.
 
I never voted for it. What %age of the vote did the winning party get at each election? At two of them the "winners" didn't even get a working majority. Hardly a ringing endorsement.

So you suggest we should simply ignore the endorsement if Labour by some miracle win a GE? I'm suspecting not somehow.

The bottom line is this is the system we have, and until it changes, an election victory is an endorsement.
 
Things have to change.

Tories and Labour have it stitched up.

SNP with a couple of million votes can have 53 MP's potentially?

Brexit party like it or not can have double the amount and not one?

Lib Dems equally affected?

No wonder many just cant be arsed anymore because it rarely counts and nothing ever changes.
I can understand why.
 
I did ask a lot earlier, but didn't get an answer.
Is this how your FPTP electoral system works? I genuinely don't know. I know I could google it but thought a brief post in here would be quicker.

What I am really wondering is when you vote for a candidate in an area is it basically one winner and if you didn't vote for him/her, then basically you're not represented?
Can't be that simple surely? Are there more than one seat on offer in each area?

Over here you can have 3/4/5 seat constituencies and with PR you can vote in order of preference for all or none of the candidates.
It means in tight constituencies all of your preferences count and transfers can have a big bearing on where the 4th/5th seat may go.
It is quite a fair way of ensuring representation for all the constituency.
It would also encourage voters out far more than the FPTP method above, if that is indeed how your system works.

we live in a representative democracy.
Regardless of who wins a constituency the MP represents everyone who lives there.
 
we live in a representative democracy.
Regardless of who wins a constituency the MP represents everyone who lives there.
I know that, at least that's how it should be. The same goes for anyone returned in a PR system.
But with two completely opposing views such as Labour and Tory some people's beliefs are always going to be ignored.
It's likely that you will always have a traditional Labour or Tory constituency if it is always just a single seat.
Why not have larger constituencies with the same number of overall seats in parliament, but the constituencies made into multi-seat representation.
This is likely to cover a more balanced view of opinion in an area.
 
And you're still here so presumably it was not a heart attack and the two weeks would have done you no harm. I can only imagine "the docs" didn't think it was very serious and if they did, then they recommended you went to A&E, so everything worked just as it should.

doctors said 'sorry we're fully booked until week of the 25th' and pretty much hanged the phoned up.

a&e were good, took my BP, and heart rate - all ok, just said it was internal muscle and to take painkillers.
 
sorry can you confirm whether the nhs will be on a 4 day week or not under labour , John McDonnell said it would be ,but others have said not.

let us know , it’s important .
Depends if he can fuck up the capitalist economy without people realising that's his plan all along. If it's too obvious, people won't fall for it.
 
doctors said 'sorry we're fully booked until week of the 25th' and pretty much hanged the phoned up.

a&e were good, took my BP, and heart rate - all ok, just said it was internal muscle and to take painkillers.
So to get this straight, you phoned your GP's surgery saying you had chest pains and their response was simply "sorry we're fully booked" and pretty much hung up? Not a mention of this being a potentially life threatening condition and that you should ring 999 immediately or go straight to A&E?

If you are genuinely saying that then I have to say I categorically do not believe you. And neither will most readers on here I suggest. They either told you to go to A&E or call 999, or you gave them some other information which enabled them to be more relaxed, which you conveniently are not sharing with us. No healthcare professional in the UK will tell someone calling up complaining of chest pains, just to go away for 2 weeks. It is a ludicrous suggestion.
 
So to get this straight, you phoned your GP's surgery saying you had chest pains and their response was simply "sorry we're fully booked" and pretty much hung up? Not a mention of this being a potentially life threatening condition and that you should ring 999 immediately or go straight to A&E?

If you are genuinely saying that then I have to say I categorically do not believe you. And neither will most readers on here I suggest. They either told you to go to A&E or call 999, or you gave them some other information which enabled them to be more relaxed, which you conveniently are not sharing with us. No healthcare professional in the UK will tell someone calling up complaining of chest pains, just to go away for 2 weeks. It is a ludicrous suggestion.

christ. i had chest pain starting from saturday morning which was mild pain, sunday was more painful and my breathing was affected - whilst painful, i couldnt tell if it was a heart/lung problem or muscular

Monday morning i phoned docs , i asked for soonest appointment for chest pain, they said 'sorry, we have no availability until week of 25th'' .....

so that was that. hour later i went to a&e, told reception my condition and got seen straight away.

what more do you want ? i really don't care if you don't believe me and i wasn't even making some sort of political point, just my docs are fully booked for 2 weeks i found pretty mental.
 
christ. i had chest pain starting from saturday morning which was mild pain, sunday was more painful and my breathing was affected - whilst painful, i couldnt tell if it was a heart/lung problem or muscular

Monday morning i phoned docs , i asked for soonest appointment for chest pain, they said 'sorry, we have no availability until week of 25th'' .....

so that was that. hour later i went to a&e, told reception my condition and got seen straight away.

what more do you want ? i really don't care if you don't believe me and i wasn't even making some sort of political point, just my docs are fully booked for 2 weeks i found pretty mental.
Well if true, you have the worst doctors' surgery in the UK. Not because of the waiting time, which is unfortunate, but for not taking your call much more seriously. Had you died, then I am sure many questions would have been asked. For a healthcare professional to have someone calling up with with chest pains and to not ask any questions but pretty much just hang up is unusual to the point of incredibility, frankly.

If you are now changing your tune (from what you originally said) that they asked you some questions to enable them to diagnose how serious it might be, and after that then said you'd have to wait a couple of weeks, or if they advised you to go to A&E, then than is more believable.
 
So to get this straight, you phoned your GP's surgery saying you had chest pains and their response was simply "sorry we're fully booked" and pretty much hung up? Not a mention of this being a potentially life threatening condition and that you should ring 999 immediately or go straight to A&E?

If you are genuinely saying that then I have to say I categorically do not believe you. And neither will most readers on here I suggest. They either told you to go to A&E or call 999, or you gave them some other information which enabled them to be more relaxed, which you conveniently are not sharing with us. No healthcare professional in the UK will tell someone calling up complaining of chest pains, just to go away for 2 weeks. It is a ludicrous suggestion.
The individual case doesn't matter, can't you see the problem caused if GPs have waiting lists to get checked or don't have nursing staff to treat minor injuries then worried people will head for A& E. It probably costs more in the long run. when my son was about 5 he tripped and fell split his lip open we took him to the local GP surgery minor injury room and a nurse stopped the bleeding and put one of those strip things on it instead of stiches, if that happened today that service isn't available so we would probably head for A & E.
 
The individual case doesn't matter, can't you see the problem caused if GPs have waiting lists to get checked or don't have nursing staff to treat minor injuries then worried people will head for A& E. It probably costs more in the long run. when my son was about 5 he tripped and fell split his lip open we took him to the local GP surgery minor injury room and a nurse stopped the bleeding and put one of those strip things on it instead of stiches, if that happened today that service isn't available so we would probably head for A & E.
Agreed. Local surgeries are often very stretched. I am quite fortunate actually because having berated people about the long waiting times (based on not much more than hearsay to be honest) I am very surprised that round here if I call up for a doctors appointment I will almost certainly get one today or tomorrow.
 
Well if true, you have the worst doctors' surgery in the UK. Not because of the waiting time, which is unfortunate, but for not taking your call much more seriously. Had you died, then I am sure many questions would have been asked. For a healthcare professional to have someone calling up with with chest pains and to not ask any questions but pretty much just hang up is unusual to the point of incredibility, frankly.

If you are now changing your tune (from what you originally said) that they asked you some questions to enable them to diagnose how serious it might be, and after that then said you'd have to wait a couple of weeks, or if they advised you to go to A&E, then than is more believable.

Nope, they truthfully said no appointments till 25th and that was the end of the convo.
 
doctors said 'sorry we're fully booked until week of the 25th' and pretty much hanged the phoned up.

a&e were good, took my BP, and heart rate - all ok, just said it was internal muscle and to take painkillers.

To be fair, they still sound better than my GP.

I went in the other week and had a prostate exam, I only had a cold.
 

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