General Election - December 12th, 2019

[gordondaviesmoustache]

What’s people predictions?

I think loads of seast will change hands, but most likely we’ll be roughly where we are now, overall, with the only conceivable majority being for the Tories, which wouldn’t shock me - unless it was a large one. Labour haven’t got a chance imo.

I reckon a lot of people are underestimating the potential impact of the youth vote. If they can be arsed voting!

 

[Metal Biker]

What’s people predictions?

I think loads of seast will change hands, but most likely we’ll be roughly where we are now, overall, with the only conceivable majority being for the Tories, which wouldn’t shock me - unless it was a large one. Labour haven’t got a chance imo.

Hung parliament, maybe an alliance between Cons and BXP, if these headlines about BXP standing in pro-leave areas returns them about 10-20 seats off Labour.

Agree with your last statement, purely on the basis that Labour seemingly isn't winning any (enough) Conservative voters over at present, and they'll need them to win a majority.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Hung parliament, maybe an alliance between Cons and BXP, if these headlines about BXP standing in pro-leave areas returns them about 10-20 seats off Labour.

Agree with your last statement, purely on the basis that Labour seemingly isn't winning any (enough) Conservative voters over at present, and they'll need them to win a majority.

Corbyn is unappealing as a politician to too many people. Despite the title I use when referring to him, I don’t dislike him too much, but he’s never going to win a general election. It really is as simple as that.

Brexit Party could definitely take some seats in the north and the midlands.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

This is what Brexit has done to this country.

So much bad karma around the whole fucking thing.

 

[Vic]

Rumours abounding that Johnson and Farage have done a deal on the QT for the Brexit party to stand only in Labour seats with a high % of leave voters.
This would make sense as the Brexit party and Farage have been very quiet in recent days when you would have expected them to be all over the Tories for not getting us out on 31st October.
In fact I'm sure a deal has been brokered by the ERG ( on Johnson's behalf) and Farage to make sure the Tory vote isn't eaten into by the Brexit party.
The Tories then win the GE.
We then leave on the current WAB.
The ERG and Farage are then banking on us crashing out at the end of 2020.
Johnson however wants a deal or extension of transition phase. No deal is too risky and too much hard work for him.
Neither side trust each other but are happy to go along with this pact for now and take their chances later on.
This is what Brexit has done to this country.
PS Would also explain why Johnson pulled the WAB. Second ref and customs union amendments would not have passed but the one about parliament having a say in extending the transition would have exposed an internal tory rift with the ERG.

If the bxp stand only in "labour leave" seats how does that work unless the Tories don't field a candidate or don't campaign? They'd still split the leave vote. And split the Tory members in those constituencies who didn't put Johnson in no.10 in order to infiltrate another right wing party into their patch.

 

[bumbleblue]

If the bxp stand only in "labour leave" seats how does that work unless the Tories don't field a candidate or don't campaign? They'd still split the leave vote. And split the Tory members in those constituencies who didn't put Johnson in no.10 in order to infiltrate another right wing party into their patch.

I guess the tories don’t stand their own candidates in these constituencies, thus allowing the BXP candidate to mop up any Labour leavers fucked off with Corbyn’s splintered arse. Then those if elected would effectively then support a Tory government.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I guess the tories don’t stand their own candidates in these constituencies, thus allowing the BXP candidate to mop up any Labour leavers fucked off with Corbyn’s splintered arse. Then those if elected would effectively then support a Tory government.

It definitely means some working class northerners and midlanders can hold their nose and cast a proxy vote for the Tories, without breaking some relic of a vow they made about never voting Conservative.

I think the tactic is sound, but I think the youth vote will play a big role too. Lots to play for imo.

 

[Dubai Blue]

This is nonsense!!

The Cons are fighting to be out.

The Lib Dims are fighting to be in.

Labour decide to fight the fight ordinary people give a fook about; jobs, wages, security and social issues.

This Brexit shyte should come after!!

Labour are doing the right thing.

It's not nonsense though. I certainly wish we weren't heading for a single issue general election. But whatever you or I may want, this "Brexit shyte" is going to be THE central issue in this general election and Labour don't have a clear, coherent position. It will undoubtedly cost them votes that would otherwise normally be theirs.

 

[Dubai Blue]

I guess the tories don’t stand their own candidates in these constituencies, thus allowing the BXP candidate to mop up any Labour leavers fucked off with Corbyn’s splintered arse. Then those if elected would effectively then support a Tory government.

It's the only way that tactic would work, but it's shithousery of previously unimaginable proportions if that's the way they go.

 

[Coatigan]

So much bad karma around the whole fucking thing.

All brexit did, was tap into the blamestorming culture that dominates our society today.

It is always someone's fault. It's the EU, it's the Opposition, it's Westminster, it's the lefties/elites, it's the (Grenfell) Fire Brigade. etc etc.

Brexit was a cover-all for any individual greivances, a blanket 'solution' to whatever big issue anyone had. Some (many, if not most) it was immigration, some fishing, some a regulatiom here or there, bendy bananas, unburnt toast, for a few a dislike of bratwurst, or just being fed up with nothing in particular at all but still wanting a protest say.

And before people jump on my back for condesendingly misunderstanding their aspirations, that second part is claimed by organisers of the campaign themselves.

The irony is, both the core of each issue, and brexit as a way of resolving them have been grossly missold and misunderstood. And brexit will change very little in any if them, as we've seen over the last 3 years' worth of likely outcomes.

But hey, we made the choice, so we must plough on, no point whatsoever thinking about it any more or re-examining the reality of it. And sacrifice whatever it takes, the last 3 years of growth and stability, the next 5 (or more), the nhs, heck even the union itself. What for? because we said so!