General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
BobKowalski said:
I was quoting a BT spokesperson on the need for full broadband connectivity across the UK. I think it’s vital we have this and that we don’t have areas or communities cut off from the electronic economy. Can I ask what the Tory initiative is? Seem to recall Johnson promising full broadband connectivity by 2025. Any details on this?
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Haven't seen the bloody manifesto yet have we.

No-one doubts the appeal of full fibre for all. No-one doubts the appeal of free education for all. Nor the appeal of a 4 day working week. Hell, why not 3 day.

The issue is of course one of affordability. Labour have not been in power for so long they have long since forgotten than things have to be paid for. Opposition can shout and moan and whine and say we'd spend more on X and more on Y and more on Z, without any fucking consequence becuase they don't have to actually DO anything. Being a nasty, shouty, obnoxious, protestor is easy. Actually running (not ruining) the country is a tad more tricky.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
What with Labour nationalising Rail, Post, Broadband, water, borrowing £500 billion, paying for educating people
quite happy to pay for it themselves, and a 4 day week, to name just a few, you're going to need Uri Geller for an
accountant.
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We'll borrow Saj ..... he's already committed to spending more than Labour. He's just giving it away to his mates instead


#Fairies - Tory
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
And there you have it.... total lack of thought about the bigger picture.

As we have now lost control of all methods of steel production in the UK .... How would we get on in the event of another war? you know where we have to build and maintain tanks / ships / Planes / trains and vehicles?

When the Chinese have changed all the passwords and gone home.

Short term thinking again .... it is vital for the nations security that the UK retains some element of steel production but hey ££££££££££££££££££££
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And carpets. You forget we hardly make any carpets, so let's nationalise all the carpet manufacturers before it's too late.

When one of you lot comes out with just one line, just one, saying "it would be good to do that, but we can't afford it" then you might have an atom of credibility.

Just one line, just once. But no, not now, not ever. It's just spend, spend, spend, spend and tax other people and spend some more. You lot are pathetic, really pathetic.
 
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aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
You claimed it would cost £80 billion, I have refuted that figure and we've fact checked it together to realise it's B.S mate.

Your response is to then bring brexit up as some weird self defense mechanism?
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No Mr pedantic i said Sky news had claimed.

Your fact checking has also proved the Labour figure is B.S.

EU anti competition law?

3rd time of asking? fancy answering it?
 
Jeremy Corbyn attacks 'pricing out' of football fans in Premier League
Labour leader says German model of fan ownership is more democratic

“I get very frustrated about the cost of football, the cost of going to matches, the cost of season tickets and the way in which working-class communities are almost priced out of it, particularly in the Premier League clubs,” said Corbyn, an Arsenal fan.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ricing-out-of-football-fans-in-premier-league

 
BobKowalski said:
The NHS is buggered then. Giving away free medical care in competition with private health companies who have to charge for their services.
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Application of competition law to the NHS
The question of whether to apply competition law to NHS providers has been an issue since April 2002. It had been concluded that competition law was not applicable to NHS bodies in relation to activities funded from general taxation, but this decision was overturned by the Competition Appeal Tribunal. However, in 2004 the OFT decided to support the original decision.

From 2008, purchasers and providers of NHS funded services were required to comply with the Principles and Rules for Cooperation and Competition (PRCC). The rules covered four areas: procurement of NHS services; anti-competitive conduct by providers and commissioners; mergers between NHS organisations; and false and misleading advertising of NHS services. They aimed to strike an appropriate balance between the benefits of co-operation and competition in driving improvements in quality and efficiency. The Co-operation and Competition Panel was responsible for advising strategic health authorities, the Department of Health and Monitor on potential breaches of the rules.

Free broadband whilst putting numerous independent providers out of business will be a different ball game but you know this Bob.

You also know why its important for us to leave the EU or it is for Corbyn and co.
 
Luvin Naga Munchetty's interview with Bog Job, questioning him about his 'family man' credentials.
He struggled to say the least
Also his comments on when he dropped a cafetiere and it smashed.Wow!
 
Various council by elections this week. One in Cumbria yesterday with a 17% swing from Tory to Lib Dems who win comfortably. Another in Tunbridge Wells where Lib Dems up 33% and Tory down 19%. Also PC battering Labour in Wales in Port Talbot. Could the lib dem / PC remain pact in wales be significant?




 
The perfect fumble said:
Jeremy Corbyn attacks 'pricing out' of football fans in Premier League
Labour leader says German model of fan ownership is more democratic

“I get very frustrated about the cost of football, the cost of going to matches, the cost of season tickets and the way in which working-class communities are almost priced out of it, particularly in the Premier League clubs,” said Corbyn, an Arsenal fan.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ricing-out-of-football-fans-in-premier-league
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There's a lot of voters he had missed. We await the next bribe with interest.
 
Chippy_boy said:
And carpets. You forget we hardly make any carpets, so let's nationalise all the carpet manufacturers before it's too late.

When one of you lot comes out with just one line, just one, saying "it would be good to do that, but we can't afford it" then you might have an atom of credibility.

Just one line, just once. But no, not now, not ever. It's just spend, spend, spend, spend and tax other people and spend some more. You lot are pathetic, really pathetic.
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Communism here we come!
 
blueinsa said:
No Mr pedantic i said Sky news had claimed.

Your fact checking has also proved the Labour figure is B.S.

EU anti competition law?

3rd time of asking? fancy answering it?
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No my fact checking did not prove labours figure to be b.s.

We decided to be charitable to try and reach the 80bn figure from sky and take BT at their word who claim it would cost £40 billion to buy open reach rather than labours figure of £20 billion.


https://theconversation.com/fact-ch...it-impossible-to-renationalise-railways-61180

EU rules currently do not prevent nationalisation of railways, I'm not too sure why it would prevent nationalisation of broadband but I'm happy for you to prove otherwise.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Jeremy Corbyn attacks 'pricing out' of football fans in Premier League
Labour leader says German model of fan ownership is more democratic

“I get very frustrated about the cost of football, the cost of going to matches, the cost of season tickets and the way in which working-class communities are almost priced out of it, particularly in the Premier League clubs,” said Corbyn, an Arsenal fan.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ricing-out-of-football-fans-in-premier-league
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I think we should nationalise the premier League and put it on YouTube for free :)
 
Chippy_boy said:
Haven't seen the bloody manifesto yet have we.

No-one doubts the appeal of full fibre for all. No-one doubts the appeal of free education for all. Nor the appeal of a 4 day working week. Hell, why not 3 day.

The issue is of course one of affordability. Labour have not been in power for so long they have long since forgotten than things have to be paid for. Opposition can shout and moan and whine and say we'd spend more on X and more on Y and more on Z, without any fucking consequence becuase they don't have to actually DO anything. Being a nasty, shouty, obnoxious, protestor is easy. Actually running (not ruining) the country is a tad more tricky.
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It’s not just the appeal. It’s the necessity of full broadband connectivity.

We already provide free education. Other European countries provide free higher education as we used too. These things can be done it’s just that we have talked ourselves into believing they can’t be done. Education is free, railways run better and are cheaper. We can do these things as well.

The 4 day week is I think inevitable.

Point is we can discuss these ideas without the obligatory Labour induced hysteria. If Tories have any good ideas then we talk about them too. And I mean ideas with details. Not platitudes and slogans.
 
BobKowalski said:
It isn’t a dumb idea. All households and businesses should be connected. Internet connectivity should be treated as a utility and a public utility at that. It is increasingly important infastructure for any country. Taxes pay for roads so why not the ‘information highway’?
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because they are already paying for it and can afford to do so. Not many can afford a road ?

the focus should be on getting those who can’t afford it or in remote areas being connected not paying for Sergio aguero or amazons broadband .

it’s free , nothing is free it’s all paid for by someone , that someone should not be the central government


Just like labours other policies they commit to do this by 2030. Another policy they don’t have to deliver on in the next term.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
No my fact checking did not prove labours figure to be b.s.

We decided to be charitable to try and reach the 80bn figure from sky and take BT at their word who claim it would cost £40 billion to buy open reach rather than labours figure of £20 billion.


https://theconversation.com/fact-ch...it-impossible-to-renationalise-railways-61180

EU rules currently do not prevent nationalisation of railways, I'm not too sure why it would prevent nationalisation of broadband but I'm happy for you to prove otherwise.
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Railways wont be free.

Broadband will against market competitors trying to sell their product.
 
blueinsa said:
Railways wont be free.

Broadband will against market competitors trying to sell their product.
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I think you've missed my point blue. A for profit service such as private railways can be nationalised, I can't see how it's any different for broadband which is also a for profit service.
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
I think you've missed my point blue. A for profit service such as private railways can be nationalised, I can't see how it's any different for broadband which is also a for profit service.
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By nature of privatising the railways there will be no competition. Contracts will run out and wont be reissued.

That doesnt apply to broadband and if you think Virgin, plus net etc will just roll over i think you are mistaken.

John Mcdonnell this morning said they will be helping to pay for it as they pay BT for their service but hang on, who is going to use them when government is offering free?

He then said well no one will be out of work and that they would all be given jobs.

This will break EU anti competition law and will end up in court, guaranteed.
 
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