UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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mancitymax said:
I am still here. They deleted the thread. I think possibly scared about my info. I will be creating an external link for you all to click on. Latest Monday midday.
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We deleted the thread because its so far a lot of bollocks, also you claim to work for UEFA, and live in Nyon, but you aren't posting from there are you ? We know exactly where you post from, so please don't be so naive.
 
dickie davies said:
If I remember that incident correctly, the ref was right in his decision
I think it was David Silva who's movement had taken him off the pitch. The throw in was taken quickly and the ball thrown into the path of Silva who re entered the field of play
The law is something about gaining an advantage from a dead ball by a player being off the field of play, and this is why ref's have to wave a player back onto the pitch if they've been off for treatment
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You are right that if you have left the field of play you need the ref's permission to re-enter, but you need the ref's permission to leave in the first place. If you don't have the ref's permission to leave the field of play, you are still deemed to be on the field of play.

You may remember a penalty against Adebayor away at Wolves several years ago. The ball was going over the dead ball line and Adebayor stopped the ball in play, but his momentum (and the Wolves defenders) took them both over the dead ball line. Whilst behind the line, the Wolves player tripped Adebayor. Result - penalty for City because both were still deemed to be in play.

Silva should have been treated as having never left the field of play. You cannot be offside from a throw in so you cannot gain an advantage by leaving the field of play at one point and entering it at another.

As decisions go, whether it was deliberately bent or not, it was plainly wrong in terms of the laws of the game.
 
cleavers said:
We deleted the thread because its so far a lot of bollocks, also you claim to work for UEFA, and live in Nyon, but you aren't posting from there are you ? We know exactly where you post from, so please don't be so naive.
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How come it says he has ten posts on here but when I click on his username I can only see three?
 
BlueMoonz1977 said:
This quote states exactly where we are coming from. We have done nothing wrong.

We will not accept a fine and we will not accept a phoney charge so that UEFA can satisfy the cartel clubs who are bitter and worried about the growth of our club.

Even Khaldoon has stated such earlier this year :-

He insists the club are ‘comfortable’ despite the threat of a Champions League ban – and cited ‘jealousy’ from their critics after the incredible success of Pep Guardiola’s side over the past two seasons. City have repeatedly stated information claimed to be obtained by leaked emails and documents represented an "organised and clear" attempt to damage their reputation.

I believe, quite comfortably, if the process is going to be judged on facts then unquestionably we will prevail,” he said. “If it’s not about facts and it’s about other things, then it is a different conversation.

“But I strongly hope that these regulatory bodies will ultimately make the decision based on facts.


“Now having said that, just going back on this wave that we are dealing with, I think, listen, I’ll be philosophical about this, the reality is we have dealt with this before with UEFA. This is not the first time we have dealt with it.

“We are going through the appropriate steps and we’re confident in our position, very comfortable in our position. I’m not concerned about that because facts will prevail.”


Our club are all over this and have been preparing for any outcome
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yep

i think uefa thought we would buckle and just take more punishment because of the leaked emails that was doing the rounds had to be true, but city did the other thing and knew nothing was in hiding so jumped to the CAS to call uefa bluff and i think it worked or they would have done something before now

also i truly believe all this leaked stuff was done by a couple of major club to hide the fact one was was doing the hacking ?? i can smell a rat a scouse rat who was hacking into manchester city scouting accounts and another in germany who have always had it in for us and maybe using dirty tricks to stop us
 
Marvin said:
On it's own it's bad news. Our appeal that the original process was flawed on the grounds of due process has been lost. But some reports are suggesting that UEFA will not be sanctioning City anyway so the appeal will be irrelevant. And if UEFA do sanction City, we can appeal again to the CAS.
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So does that means more delays if that is the case
 
Marvin said:
As someone else commented there are hawks and doves in European football.

UEFA AC though has to satisfy itself that it can make charges stick so regardless of what LFC, La Liga etc want, they need more than that to shut us down.

The strength of the Athletics statements lead me to believe that they now know what the results of that AC investigation are. I hope I am right and they are right.

Others want City to be exonerated. I find that impossible to believe. UEFA will fudge it to get between the hawks and doves. City will then appeal to CAS. It will go on an on.
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Do you think cas have tried to act as arbitration to both sides and await the outcome?
 
cleavers said:
We deleted the thread because its so far a lot of bollocks, also you claim to work for UEFA, and live in Nyon, but you aren't posting from there are you ? We know exactly where you post from, so please don't be so naive.
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im not disagreeing that he’s a charlatan but I do recall the weekend the rumours started re our takeover and the sources being dismissed as fanciful and untrue - glad they were right. Do UEFA not have an office in Miles Platting?
 
BluessinceHydeRoad said:
City's appeal has not been "lost" the CAS has ruled it "inadmissible" - that is, City cannot appeal that the procedure followed by the IC was flawed until the AC has reached its verdict. I would be surprised if City's lawyers hadn't foreseen this outcome, so why appeal in the first place? The clue is in the standard caution when an arrest is made - you are warned that you should "not remain silent about something you later rely on in your defence". City were making it clear they are outraged by the procedure followed and will challenge any verdict we do not accept on these grounds and others. If UEFA gives no satisfaction the appeal to CAS will be made and will be admissible.

This does not, most certainly, mean that yesterday's news is wrong. It seems hard to believe the timing of both is coincidental and it could mean that negotiations between City and UEFA have shown that City's perceived threats of tying UEFA up in court for years if necessary are not hot air but grow out of a deeply held sense of injustice. A CL ban or fine may have been ruled out but a verdict and "punishment" (if any) have not been reached. I suspect City's legal team are in close contact with UEFA because we would far prefer a swift exoneration to a long legal battle. I suspect UEFA are furious about any failings in procedure at the IC (how are you today Mr P?).
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I agree that (in my view at least) the timing isn't coincidental.

CAS could have rejected our appeal within minutes of receiving it, yet they sat on it for months. Why? My suspicion is that CAS were expecting a quick decison from UEFA meaning that, whatever the verdict, they could either hear the appeal (if we were found guilty) or drop it (if we weren't). So there was no point in rejecting it out of hand only to have to pick it up again shortly after.

I've also said on here that I believe UEFA were hoping CAS got them off the hook by accepting our appeal and finding that UEFA had abused their own process. That would probably have been their preferred outcome as then they don't have to face a war with us but the mud thrown by them and Der Spiegel still sticks. In essence, we got off on a technicality. So both were waiting for the other to make a move, a bit like 4 cars at a mini-roundabout.

I suspect that both have been talking to each other (which is what Ben Rumsby is probably alluding to) and in order to allow the log-jam to be removed, CAS have made their decision, leaving the field to UEFA. That, to me at least, would explain the tweet from the Athletic last night preparing the ground for UEFA's decision to be announced in due course. One theory I've heard from a source I spoke to is that the sequence of events now allows parties to lobby UEFA. So the likes of those rats Tebas, Parry, Gill et al have been publicly tipped the wink about the potential lack of a ban and have a month to try to stiffen UEFA's spine. Usually knowing the source of a leak indicates the motive for it but it's not clear where last night's news came to The Athletic from.

It could be from City possibly although I doubt that. It could be from UEFA themselves, in order to manage the news or test our reslove to fight this. Or it could be from a party within UEFA with malicious intent, to try to get people lobbying for a harsher punishment, as I said earlier. It will be interesting to see if we were to get fined say €10,000 or some other derisory amount, for a minor technical administrative or accounting breach, if the club grudgingly accept it.

But one thing's pretty much for sure, UEFA have now got to show their hand and we aren't backing down if it's any more serious that that.
 
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