General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Although I was really just pointing out the vagaries of share price movement and replying to a poster suggesting that nationalising Openreach might have implications for pensions and share holders, whilst the share price has been dropping for years without any Corbyn intervention, I’ll ask you a serious question. Is there a single answer to that question you’ve posed?
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There's not a simple answer, but there is an answer. Whether you'd call a complex answer with multiple aspects, a single answer, I am not sure. Is there an answer? Yes.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Chancellor of the Exchequer material right here:

Striking McDonald’s staff demanding £15 an hour say they want Labour government

I'll bet they do. More than police officers start on, for flipping burgers. Anyone with no brain, put your X here.

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Lol, McSexual violence?
What's that then, an unwanted rummage round the chicken McNuggets?
 
dave_blue12 said:
Frankly given a choice I'd plump for Corbyn. At least we know what he's going to try to do. I say try, because reality will likely intervene and put a stop to his more outlandish fantasies.
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This is almost certainly the first time anyone has said they were voting for someone, with the explicit hope
that the politician concerned doesn't do what he's announcing to the world he will do.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Lol, McSexual violence?
What's that then, an unwanted rummage round the chicken McNuggets?
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John McDonnell. Shouty protestor on a picket line? Oh Yes.

John McDonnell. UK Chancellor of the Exchequer, self-proclsimed Marxist running the finances of the world's 6th biggest economy????

No-one other than another Marxist could possibly imagine that could be in any way an acceptable idea, surely. Surely??????
 
urban genie said:
I have been to singapore, was wank.

Also why always use venuzuela? Maybe comrade corbyn want to turn us in Laos, algeria, portugal, nepal, tanzania or vietnam instead

Plenty of other socialist countries you could use to criticise, using the same one seems a but dull
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Because he's on record praising that now benighted state, and wants this country to emulate it, you know, the place
with the worlds largest oil deposits, now reduced to a basket case through, er, policies we're now expected to be
on board with.
 
stonerblue said:
I'm one and will be voting Labour. More to life than business, growth and money.
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But very very little which does not depend upon it. I hope for you that few things you hold dear requires growth or money.

Seems odd to me that people like you don't seem to grasp that it costs money to run hospitals and provide you with social care and a state pension. And if we have less growth and less money, then these thinga get worse.
 
Chippy_boy said:
What on earth makes you think Boris would "sell us down the river"?

Assuming you believe he is only in this for personal gain of some kind - reputation, ego or whatever - can you think of any realistic scenario in which he seeks to wilfully do what you suggest? How? In what way?

You might say "in any number of ways"? Well let's hear a few then.

I think it's cheap talk and not based on reality. He's trying to do what he thinks is best for our country. You might not like his cowboy like methods but I see no evidence at all that he is trying to damage the UK or sell us to anyone. He's trying to win an election and if he wins it, he will continue to try to get the best outcomes for the UK, as he has done so far.
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Yep, deffo deluded.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Because he's on record praising that now benighted state, and wants this country to emulate it, you know, the place
with the worlds largest oil deposits, now reduced to a basket case through, er, policies we're now expected to be
on board with.
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Genie mentioned Portugal - a country about which I know very little. So I did a quick Google of "Portugal economy'. On page 1, I read,

"There are almost 2.6 million people living below the poverty line in Portugal, according to the National Statistics Institute. ... Portugal is one of the most unequal countries in Europe"

Perfect socialist model then.
 
Chippy_boy said:
What on earth makes you think Boris would "sell us down the river"?

Assuming you believe he is only in this for personal gain of some kind - reputation, ego or whatever - can you think of any realistic scenario in which he seeks to wilfully do what you suggest? How? In what way?

You might say "in any number of ways"? Well let's hear a few then.

I think it's cheap talk and not based on reality. He's trying to do what he thinks is best for our country. You might not like his cowboy like methods but I see no evidence at all that he is trying to damage the UK or sell us to anyone. He's trying to win an election and if he wins it, he will continue to try to get the best outcomes for the UK, as he has done so far.
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Johnson has a long history of fucking things up and people over. Surely even you can see that.

I am deeply suspicious of what caused him to change from being pro EU to a Brexit zealot.

I simply do not trust the man and given his track record neither should anyone else.
 
dave_blue12 said:
Johnson has a long history of fucking things up and people over. Surely even you can see that.

I am deeply suspicious of what caused him to change from being pro EU to a Brexit zealot.

I simply do not trust the man and given his track record neither should anyone else.
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To do what exactly???. I've asked for an example of what terrible thing he could do? If you want to know - quid pro quo - what terrible things Corbyn and McDonnell will do, I can rattle you off a list any time you like.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Genie mentioned Portugal - a country about which I know very little. So I did a quick Google of "Portugal economy'. On page 1, I read,

"There are almost 2.6 million people living below the poverty line in Portugal, according to the National Statistics Institute. ... Portugal is one of the most unequal countries in Europe"

Perfect socialist model then.
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Corbyn is still rooted in the student protest movements of the '60's, despite the evidence of his own eyes, he clings to
the belief that this bankrupt philosophy is what we should adopt, he's a zealot, a man child, that just can not countenance
that his thinking is flawed. The tragedy, is that a once respected party is in the grip of such people because, in the main,
of the introduction of a £3 a pop membership, that instantly became the new home of far left nutters throughout the land.
The biggest hit to the Conservative campaign now, would be Labour binning this poison once and for all, sadly for them,
he's going for the last chance dance, and unless the polls are miles out, if they stick with him, they're screwed for years.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Corbyn is still rooted in the student protest movements of the '60's, despite the evidence of his own eyes, he clings to
the belief that this bankrupt philosophy is what we should adopt, he's a zealot, a man child, that just can not countenance
that his thinking is flawed. The tragedy, is that a once respected party is in the grip of such people because, in the main,
of the introduction of a £3 a pop membership, that instantly became the new home of far left nutters throughout the land.
The biggest hit to the Conservative campaign now, would be Labour binning this poison once and for all, sadly for them,
he's going for the last chance dance, and unless the polls are miles out, if they stick with him, they're screwed for years.
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I don't need to say I agree: it's a demonstrable fact.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Genie mentioned Portugal - a country about which I know very little. So I did a quick Google of "Portugal economy'. On page 1, I read,

"There are almost 2.6 million people living below the poverty line in Portugal, according to the National Statistics Institute. ... Portugal is one of the most unequal countries in Europe"

Perfect socialist model then.
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That report (which is 20 months old btw) came from the president who said that and that the policies in place and going forward are aimed and must readress the balance after the austerity measuresof the previous government.

More recently from a report in the summer of this year

The Portuguese economy is resisting the prevailing gloom in Europe.

Activity remained strong, with GDP rising by 0.5% in the first quarter, or 1.8% at an annual rate, compared with 1.2% in the euro zone, forecasts Brussels.

Following the trend of 2018, Portugal's good economic health comes mainly from private consumption fueled by rising wages and employment dynamics. The preliminary data, says the national statistics institute, "reflect a significant acceleration in investment."

The government deficit has fallen from 7.2% of GDP to 0.5% of GDP since 2014, and the unemployment rate from a peak of 17.9% in early 2013, to about 6% currently.

"The tourism sector has been the largest driver of the export recovery in Portugal," Ben Westmore, the head of the Portugal desk in the Economics Department of the OECD, confirmed to VOA.

These numbers make Portugal the darling of international financial institutions. The head of the International Monetary Fund, Christine Lagarde, praised Portugal's economic recovery recently in Lisbon. "Portugal and the Portuguese people deserve huge credit for their efforts, for which they should be proud," Lagarde said.


Portugals biggest problem and lend to your comment is that wages thoigh growning, haven't grown as fast as hoped and so many are still on wages below the EU average for a country and why many young people work across the continent.


Anyway we are not voting in portugal, though so a nice little side topic back to the election.


Pledges to plant more forests from Lib dems and tories this morning
 
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