General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
Vic said:
Have I got this right? Labour says we will consider having a right to a public interest defence for journalists (but for printing what?) and some are twisting that to mean taking away a right that exists? That's pure 1984.

The Tories legislated to take away the public interest defence for breaching the Official Secrets Act.
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good to know you're plugged into the support network Vic, they must be working overtime today ;)
 
inbetween said:
Labour were committed to a fiscal credibility rule in their 2017 manifesto meaning they would balance the deficit in the next Parliament.

If they are keeping this rule then it is inevitable that general taxation (NI, fuel duty, VAT etc) are all going to go up MASSIVELY.

You just cannot pay out £200-£500bn and pay for it with modest tax increases on the rich, impossible. Even tightening taxation on the rich for example by stopping avoidance/evasion will not raise that amount of money.

Of course the other answer is they are going to borrow it (breaks their credibility rule) OR they will print the money instead.

If it's the latter and they print money then their other plans like minimum wage increases, 4 day week etc are completely and totally pointless because of inflation. You then probably have a collapsing £ and interest rate rises which will bankrupt half the country.

This is why Labour are so dangerous.
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But Johnson was offering 50p an hour more on the minimum wage than Labour...
 
bluethrunthru said:
But...but...but Labour want to raise taxes and scare the likes of Jim off - the Tories lowered corporation tax to collect more corporation tax and keep Jim here - and...and...Brexit Brexit - get it done.....
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Except of course Johnson has just said cutting corporation tax would mean collecting less corporation tax.
 
urban genie said:
Johnson has refused to attend his constituency husting and face the other candidates, it has now been cancelled.
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He does actually need to watch himself a bit, my suspicion is that there will be a small gap between him and his main competitor.

If the minor parties really wanted to stop brexit they'd use their brains and pull out of that seat
 
Vic said:
But Johnson was offering 50p an hour more on the minimum wage than Labour...
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In isolation that isn't going to make any difference, they are essentially subsidising those rises through tax cuts. When viewed as a large package of taxes rises and excessive spending it is a bit different.

Some guy from Labour was on LBC last night and a caller said I have a great electricity provider but Labour will force electricity to become a state monopoly so will they commit to lower prices and the Labour fella could only say it would be the same or cheaper. The caller then said well if it's the same price then what is the point in spending all of that money to nationalise?

The Labour bloke said well the service is lacking so it needs to be and the caller just replied if my service was bad then I'd change provider, how can I change provider if there is only one state run provider. The Labour fella just said well we'll try and make sure the service won't be bad...............

The caller then said my broadband is excellent, will you guarantee my broadband will be of the same quality because right now I can change provider if it isn't. The Labour bloke dodged the question and just banged on about how 5% either have crap broadband or none at all.

This is the kind of stupidity and problems we could be in for.
 
inbetween said:
In isolation that isn't going to make any difference, they are essentially subsidising those rises through tax cuts. When viewed as a large package of taxes rises and excessive spending it is a bit different.

Some guy from Labour was on LBC last night and a caller said I have a great electricity provider but Labour will force electricity to become a state monopoly so will they commit to lower prices and the Labour fella could only say it would be the same or cheaper. The caller then said well if it's the same price then what is the point in spending all of that money to nationalise?

The Labour bloke said well the service is lacking so it needs to be and the caller just replied if my service was bad then I'd change provider, how can I change provider if there is only one state run provider. The Labour fella just said well we'll try and make sure the service won't be bad...............

The caller then said my broadband is excellent, will you guarantee my broadband will be of the same quality because right now I can change provider if it isn't. The Labour bloke dodged the question and just banged on about how 5% either have crap broadband or none at all.

This is the kind of stupidity and problems we could be in for.
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It's being done for the benefit of 95% or so we keep getting told.

How exactly is it benefitting us?

It isn't is the truth, it's just means further bills down the line as we have to pay the debt off as a country as well as our fucking bills.
 
inbetween said:
In isolation that isn't going to make any difference, they are essentially subsidising those rises through tax cuts. When viewed as a large package of taxes rises and excessive spending it is a bit different.

Some guy from Labour was on LBC last night and a caller said I have a great electricity provider but Labour will force electricity to become a state monopoly so will they commit to lower prices and the Labour fella could only say it would be the same or cheaper. The caller then said well if it's the same price then what is the point in spending all of that money to nationalise?

The Labour bloke said well the service is lacking so it needs to be and the caller just replied if my service was bad then I'd change provider, how can I change provider if there is only one state run provider. The Labour fella just said well we'll try and make sure the service won't be bad...............

The caller then said my broadband is excellent, will you guarantee my broadband will be of the same quality because right now I can change provider if it isn't. The Labour bloke dodged the question and just banged on about how 5% either have crap broadband or none at all.

This is the kind of stupidity and problems we could be in for.
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"I have a great electricity provider." What does that mean? It's all from renewable sources? When I flick a switch the light comes on? If there's a power cut they bring a generator to my house?

Was anyone really dissatisfied with Norweb as a state run organisation?
 
blueinsa said:
It's being done for the benefit of 95% or so we keep getting told.
How exactly is it benefitting us?
It isn't is the truth, it's just means further bills down the line as we have to pay the debt off as a country as well as our fucking bills.
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That's the tragedy of the Tories doubling the national debt in the last nine years.
AND now planning to let the deficit rip again, apparently we've got fiscal headroom to do it
 
Vic said:
"I have a great electricity provider." What does that mean? It's all from renewable sources? When I flick a switch the light comes on? If there's a power cut they bring a generator to my house?

Was anyone really dissatisfied with Norweb as a state run organisation?
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Well I'm sure people can say whether their providers for things are good but if they aren't they can change.

I've had bad experiences with broadband for example but I now have a good provider because I switched. Under Labour there will be one provider for nearly everything so I can't exactly leave if they cock it up can I?

Has anyone even thought that we might spend a lot and get something worse in return?

What guarantee can Labour make that things will be better? I am looking for something beyond we'll make sure by just spending even more money.....
 
bugsyblue said:
There are other parties to vote for other than Labour and Conservative. People will say "that's wasting a vote" "they'll never get in" but maybe a little political rebellion is exactly what we need! Especially when both main parties are looking unappealing!
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There aren't though really, Libs if you believe Brexit will be stopped, but it won't because they won't get in,
Greens if you fancy seeing your hard earned blown on £100billion of initiatives that achieve Jack shit in reality, UKIP,
and you'll be voting for them with half a dozen other people, then the usual ragbag of assorted friutcakes even madder than
the one's above.
 
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