General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
Blue Hefner said:
I had a thought overnight - I think Johnson could have a problem by trying to make this election all about Brexit. During the Brexit campaign there was optimism, less foreigners, higher wages, same trade deals and more as before, no down side etc. Take your pick

Now those that still believe that aren’t hearing the optimism anymore, all they are hearing is about getting it ‘done’ and even the most optimistic person surely knows it’s not as simple as that

So, as a result they are looking for other policies which could provide optimism. Not many are coming from the Tory side, particularly for the poor/working classes in the North.

He’s bet the house on Brexit still being the main issue. But if it’s not, the Tories could be in for a surprise
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But according to the latest poll Brexit is seen as far and away the main issue - so he seems to have called it correctly?

"It confirms that Brexit is the top issue helping voters decide which party they will vote for with 63% mentioning it."

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...92096.html?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=Feed
 
Posted this in the QT thread but probably better in here...

Labour stating that anybody earning under 80K a year won't be worse off through taxation is, quite simply, bullshit.

I earn circa 25K a year and will be thousands of pounds worse off under a Labour Government. Some example figures of how Labour's plans may affect a small Limited Company director...


Currently, on 20K profit you would pay £3800 in CT. Paying yourself 25K in wages & dividends you would pay £787 in income tax. A total of £4587.

Under Labour, on 20K profit you would pay £4200 in CT. Paying yourself 25K in wages & dividends you would pay £2500 in income tax. A total of £6700.

I suppose some people might ask why I should get 'tax breaks' on dividend payments when your 'normal' employee pays standard rate on anything over the threshold but for those people I'd like them to consider that as a Director of my own Ltd Company I get no annual leave entitlement, no holiday pay, no sick pay, no parenting pay, no minimum wage and no job security.

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Note - I've edited this as of course, I wouldn't be able to pay myself 12.5K in dividends if I'd only made a profit of 10K. I originally used the 10K figure as it was easier to do the maths :)
 
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MillionMilesAway said:
not necessarily, but it could be.

That bloke in red might be an Arsenal fan, or Middlesbrough.

Taking a specific conclusion and inventing a theory that gets to that conclusion does not mean the theory is valid.
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But it does mean it's a theory and a valid one until proven otherwise.
 
Cheesy said:
Posted this in the QT thread but probably better in here...

Labour stating that anybody earning under 80K a year won't be worse off through taxation is, quite simply, bullshit.

I earn circa 25K a year and will be thousands of pounds worse off under a Labour Government. Some example figures of how Labour's plans may affect a small Limited Company director...


Currently, on a 10K profit you would pay £1900 in CT. Paying yourself 25K in wages & dividends you would pay £825 in income tax. A total of £2725.

Under Labour, on 10K profit you would pay £2100 in CT. Paying yourself 25K in wages & dividends you would pay £2500 in income tax. A total of £4600.
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Dear God that's horrendous.

Corbyn: "It is sometimes claimed I am anti-business".
 
And I hate to break it to you Cheesy, but that doesn't include your mortgage or rent going up substantially as well, never mind the cost of everything in the shops with the higher wages and corporation taxes and weaker pound and higher imported goods costs.

Labour's "95% of people won't be worse off" is the biggest lie ever foisted on a British public.

Labour: "For the few, not the many".
 
Cheesy said:
Posted this in the QT thread but probably better in here...

Labour stating that anybody earning under 80K a year won't be worse off through taxation is, quite simply, bullshit.

I earn circa 25K a year and will be thousands of pounds worse off under a Labour Government. Some example figures of how Labour's plans may affect a small Limited Company director...


Currently, on a 10K profit you would pay £1900 in CT. Paying yourself 25K in wages & dividends you would pay £825 in income tax. A total of £2725.

Under Labour, on 10K profit you would pay £2100 in CT. Paying yourself 25K in wages & dividends you would pay £2500 in income tax. A total of £4600.

I suppose some people might ask why I should get 'tax breaks' on dividend payments when your 'normal' employee pays standard rate on anything over the threshold but for those people I'd like them to consider that as a Director of my own Ltd Company I get no annual leave entitlement, no holiday pay, no sick pay, no parenting pay, no minimum wage and no job security.
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You should pay yourself more if your making £10k profit, and pay the income tax you are supposed to do. Why should we pay for you, just because we are cards in. Your company can decide to pay Holiday & sick pay that's your call. You have the benefits of working for yourself, not having to put up with bosses demands. You can claim capital allowances when you buy assets that you keep to use in your business.
 
jonmcity said:
You should pay yourself more if your making £10k profit, and pay the income tax you are supposed to do. Why should we pay for you, just because we are cards in. Your company can decide to pay Holiday & sick pay that's your call. You have the benefits of working for yourself, not having to put up with bosses demands. You can claim capital allowances when you buy assets that you keep to use in your business.
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You haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

Any profit is left as retained earnings (which I'd be taxed on at a later date if I chose to take it out of the business) or is there for those difficult times that all small businesses go through.

Holiday and sick pay would simply take money out of my business and if I'm sick or on holiday I'm not earning as much. Why on earth would I do that???
 
Cheesy said:
You haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

Any profit is left as retained earnings (which I'd be taxed on at a later date if I chose to take it out of the business) or is there for those difficult times that all small businesses go through.

Holiday and sick pay would simply take money out of my business and if I'm sick or on holiday I'm not earning as much. Why on earth would I do that???
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If your company is earning profits which allow you to pay sick, holiday pay then you can. Too many people not paying their due tax due to self employment rules, only paying tax on dividends, cash jobs ext.
 
Cheesy said:
Posted this in the QT thread but probably better in here...

Labour stating that anybody earning under 80K a year won't be worse off through taxation is, quite simply, bullshit.

I earn circa 25K a year and will be thousands of pounds worse off under a Labour Government. Some example figures of how Labour's plans may affect a small Limited Company director...


Currently, on 20K profit you would pay £3800 in CT. Paying yourself 25K in wages & dividends you would pay £825 in income tax. A total of £4625.

Under Labour, on 20K profit you would pay £4200 in CT. Paying yourself 25K in wages & dividends you would pay £2500 in income tax. A total of £6700.

I suppose some people might ask why I should get 'tax breaks' on dividend payments when your 'normal' employee pays standard rate on anything over the threshold but for those people I'd like them to consider that as a Director of my own Ltd Company I get no annual leave entitlement, no holiday pay, no sick pay, no parenting pay, no minimum wage and no job security.

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Note - I've edited this as of course, I wouldn't be able to pay myself 12.5K in dividends if I'd only made a profit of 10K. I originally used the 10K figure as it was easier to do the maths :)
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Do you have a mobile phone? If so get rid of it. Do you have a telly? If so get rid of it. They are luxuries whenever poor people complain about not having enough to feed themselves properly.

Consider your extra taxes on the money earned from your own business as small repayments on the money you havent been paying for the past ten years.

If you get sick you'll be glad you did.
If you get old, you'll be glad you did.
If you lose your license and have to rely on infrastructure to get around, you'll be glad you did.
If in later life you need full or part time care, you'll be glad you did.
If you have kids or grandkids in school, you'll be glad you did.
If you have friends or loved ones in the public sector, you'll be glad you did.
If you pay for gas or electric, or water, you'll be glad you did.
If you need a policeman to actually arrive sometime, you'll be glad you did.
If you or a loved one ever needs a roof over their head when in financial straits, you'll be glad you did.
I could go on and on.


I hate to break it to you but we are building a better country and the time when that was paid for by the poorest and weakest through cuts and being told to "fuck off scrounger" is coming to an end. It's time to step up and contribute a bit more to society.
 
jonmcity said:
If your company is earning profits which allow you to pay sick, holiday pay then you can. Too many people not paying their due tax due to self employment rules, only paying tax on dividends, cash jobs ext.
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Not once have I done a cash job.

Like I said in previous post, there is absolutely zero point in paying myself holiday/sick pay.

I don't only pay tax on dividends, I also pay Corporation Tax.
 
jonmcity said:
If your company is earning profits which allow you to pay sick, holiday pay then you can. Too many people not paying their due tax due to self employment rules, only paying tax on dividends, cash jobs ext.
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So where is it in Labour's manifesto that they will go after the white van men, tradesmen and the chippys who operate under cash only?

So much for fairness.
 
jonmcity said:
If your company is earning profits which allow you to pay sick, holiday pay then you can. Too many people not paying their due tax due to self employment rules, only paying tax on dividends, cash jobs ext.
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Tax rules there for a reason. The reason being we WANT people to start their own businesses, grow their businesses and to employ people. This is a GOOD thing, although you would never guess it when reading Labour's plans.

Why on earth would anyone take on all the risks and responsibilities for setting up a business, only to have more and more obstacles and costs thrown at them, and to be taxed just the same as if they hadn't bothered and stayed on PAYE at some other firm?

Is it any wonder people think Corbyn is anti-business, FFS?

This is what one analyst said yesterday:

“The Labour Party’s proposals to tax dividends at regular income tax rates, could be another “nail in the coffin” for small British businesses. ...

The Labour Party’s Manifesto would appear to increase the tax on businesses significantly. As such, it would appear to make the UK a much-less attractive place for Foreign Direct Investment and hence potentially undermines one of the cornerstones of UK economic success over the last 30-40 years.”
 
urban genie said:
It was the planned debate between him and jeremy





Although a general debate the focus Ch4 wanted was on the climate crisis.

But as johnson has niether a clue or gives a shit about such I am not suprised he didn't want to do it.
He has one topic brexit, he is making sure not to talk about anything else.

Either way he should have done it but is too cowardly to answer questions he doesn't like.
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The moderator is a journalist first and foremost. Channel 4 have been unofficially blacklisted by the Tories for having the temerity to attack all parties election plans.
 
Here's a reminder why DAVE is the best name ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50390050

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All hail Dave!


Unless their other name is Cameron (of course).
 
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