General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%
  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%

  • Total voters
    518
or watch question time and see a member of the audience ask boris a difficult question about waspi. And think after you have already posted your fully costed manifesto with no mention of it.

oh shit that’s another thing we can give out and nick a few votes , yep we will pay that as well for you as well vote labour.

how much 58billion. How are you going to pay for it , fuck knows but it’s a vote winner .
Not to worry. Reduced health care. Lack of social care. Increased exploitation of the poorest section of society.
That'll kill off plenty.
It's so unreasonable of the elderly to live longer, putting more strain on the NHS, social care and holding onto their homes and prevent hard-working people from feeding the mortgage pyramid.

WASPI women are only trying to get the pension they were promised as they grew up and worked in the 60s 70s 80s and 90s.
Labour's commitment is based on expecting that promise will be enforced.
 
Not to worry. Reduced health care. Lack of social care. Increased exploitation of the poorest section of society.
That'll kill off plenty.
It's so unreasonable of the elderly to live longer, putting more strain on the NHS, social care and holding onto their homes and prevent hard-working people from feeding the mortgage pyramid.

WASPI women are only trying to get the pension they were promised as they grew up and worked in the 60s 70s 80s and 90s.
Labour's commitment is based on expecting that promise will be enforced.

yeah well I am all for gender equality so tell me why men and women still are able draw their pensions at different ages?
 
Main points from a very light manifesto


• A rise in the national insurance threshold to £9,500 next year with an ultimate ambition of £12,500.

• An extra £2bn to fix potholes in roads.

• An expansion of free childcare to parents of three- and four-year-olds in the school holidays,

• An end to the Fixed-term Parliament Act that means each government serves for five years

• Pledged to hire 50,000 more nurses


A restrained manifesto that promises only £2.9bn extra in public spending a year by the end of the next parliament.

I read into the above austerity isn't over but tweeked,
•policing levels will still be lower than 2010 figutures

• The NI £12500 is an ambition so really translates as won't happen,

•The fixed term parliament has been a joke anyway and why both parties are scrapping it.

• Anything that helps young families is fine by me

• 50000 more nurse seems to go against their imigration policyas the only way to match that target is to follow labour proposal of offering fully trained nurses from overseas position.

• Pot holes are a local government issue so unless they are pumping money into local councils at amassuve rate it is nowt but a gimmick policy
 
yeah well I am all for gender equality so tell me why men and women still are able draw their pensions at different ages?

errr - because of equality laws. There is no "retirement age" now for anyone. When you stop working is entirely down to you though in reality dependant on finances of course. Anyone with a private pension can start taking it from their fifties - a workplace pension will be down to the scheme rules but those rules cannot by law specify different rules based on gender. The state pension qualifying ages are now all over the place after the Govt started moving the goalposts - I for instance - wont be eligible for mine until 67 but that again is down to the rules of the scheme the state runs.
 
The IFS has now come out and rubbished the tory manifesto.

So the think tank isn't impressed by any of the three parties proposals
 
or watch question time and see a member of the audience ask boris a difficult question about waspi. And think after you have already posted your fully costed manifesto with no mention of it.

oh shit that’s another thing we can give out and nick a few votes , yep we will pay that as well for you as well vote labour.

how much 58billion. How are you going to pay for it , fuck knows but it’s a vote winner .

The Labour announcement on pensions for women was pre planned. And if the Tory manifesto is so light it is on the verge of evaporating then the Labour manifesto is bogged down with too many promises and commitments all of which will be impossible to carry out. Better by far to have gone with some good clear ideas that resonate. The LibDem manifesto on maintaining fiscal prudence is plain stupid.

Current status: Underwhelmed.
 
Indeed, especially with people like me to convince to vote Remain again. I voted Remain, even though I was a Eurosceptic mainly because I knew what would happen afterwards.
That said, democracy is the most important thing for any nation and to disregard any vote is unacceptable under ANY circumstances.
Even advisory ones?
 
Main points from a very light manifesto


• A rise in the national insurance threshold to £9,500 next year with an ultimate ambition of £12,500.

• An extra £2bn to fix potholes in roads.

• An expansion of free childcare to parents of three- and four-year-olds in the school holidays,

• An end to the Fixed-term Parliament Act that means each government serves for five years

• Pledged to hire 50,000 more nurses


A restrained manifesto that promises only £2.9bn extra in public spending a year by the end of the next parliament.

I read into the above austerity isn't over but tweeked,
•policing levels will still be lower than 2010 figutures

• The NI £12500 is an ambition so really translates as won't happen,

•The fixed term parliament has been a joke anyway and why both parties are scrapping it.

• Anything that helps young families is fine by me

• 50000 more nurse seems to go against their imigration policyas the only way to match that target is to follow labour proposal of offering fully trained nurses from overseas position.

• Pot holes are a local government issue so unless they are pumping money into local councils at amassuve rate it is nowt but a gimmick policy
Wow, that commitment on potholes is revolutionary thinking.
Could save three beema man @Chippy_boy a fortune in suspension repair costs.
 
Even advisory ones?
You’re about to find out what happens to parties who choose to ignore the result of a democratic referendum. I hope the Tories wipe the floor with Labour and Lib Dem’s, because this will serve as a valuable lesson for any future democrat who may believe enacting the result of a referendum is optional.
 
You’re about to find out what happens to parties who choose to ignore the result of a democratic referendum. I hope the Tories wipe the floor with Labour and Lib Dem’s, because this will serve as a valuable lesson for any future democrat who may believe enacting the result of a referendum is optional.
What about all the Tories who didn't vote for a Brexit deal? That would include Liar Johnson.
 
The unvarnished truth, the Tories could have passed May's deal but the ERG decided to hold on for a crash out FTA next year. Which is what they and their backers in US health and insurance businesses will now get.

The ERG shoulder the main blame - no doubt about it, but a lot of centre-left voters will never forget that they were helped by 98% of MPs (248/251) in the Labour Party who effectively put them in power.

Like Sarah Champion said, 'it's poker' and it's a game the Labour Party have lost to the detriment of the working class for the past decade and soon to be 14 years of Tory rule.
 
Where? I saw Paul Johnson on a Skype saying it was the expected rehash of the budget settlement but nothing detailed yet on their site so far. Saying they've rubbished it is rather prophetic.

Responding to the Conservative Party manifesto, IFS Director Paul Johnson said:

"If the Labour and Liberal Democrat manifestos were notable for the scale of their ambitions the Conservative one is not. If a single Budget had contained all these tax and spending proposals we would have been calling it modest. As a blueprint for five years in government the lack of significant policy action is remarkable.

"In part that is because the chancellor announced some big spending rises back In September. Other than for health and schools, though, that was a one-off increase. Taken at face value today’s manifesto suggests that for most services, in terms of day-to-day spending, that’s it. Health and school spending will continue to rise. Give or take pennies, other public services, and working age benefits, will see the cuts to their day-to-day budgets of the last decade baked in."

"One notable omission is any plan for social care. In his first speech as prime minister Boris Johnson promised to 'fix the crisis in social care once and for all'. After two decades of dither by both parties in government it seems we are no further forward."

"On the tax side the rise in the National Insurance threshold was well trailed. The ambition for it to get to £12,500 may remain, but only the initial rise to £9,500 has been costed and firmly promised. Most in paid work would benefit, but by less than £2 a week. Another £6 billion would need to be found to get to £12,500 by the end of the parliament. Given the pressures on the spending side that is not surprising."

"Perhaps the biggest, and least welcome, announcement is the 'triple tax lock': no increases in rates of income tax, NICs or VAT. That’s a constraint the chancellor may come to regret. It is also part of a fundamentally damaging narrative – that we can have the public services we want, with more money for health and pensions and schools – without paying for them. We can’t."
 
Responding to the Conservative Party manifesto, IFS Director Paul Johnson said:

"If the Labour and Liberal Democrat manifestos were notable for the scale of their ambitions the Conservative one is not. If a single Budget had contained all these tax and spending proposals we would have been calling it modest. As a blueprint for five years in government the lack of significant policy action is remarkable.

"In part that is because the chancellor announced some big spending rises back In September. Other than for health and schools, though, that was a one-off increase. Taken at face value today’s manifesto suggests that for most services, in terms of day-to-day spending, that’s it. Health and school spending will continue to rise. Give or take pennies, other public services, and working age benefits, will see the cuts to their day-to-day budgets of the last decade baked in."

"One notable omission is any plan for social care. In his first speech as prime minister Boris Johnson promised to 'fix the crisis in social care once and for all'. After two decades of dither by both parties in government it seems we are no further forward."

"On the tax side the rise in the National Insurance threshold was well trailed. The ambition for it to get to £12,500 may remain, but only the initial rise to £9,500 has been costed and firmly promised. Most in paid work would benefit, but by less than £2 a week. Another £6 billion would need to be found to get to £12,500 by the end of the parliament. Given the pressures on the spending side that is not surprising."

"Perhaps the biggest, and least welcome, announcement is the 'triple tax lock': no increases in rates of income tax, NICs or VAT. That’s a constraint the chancellor may come to regret. It is also part of a fundamentally damaging narrative – that we can have the public services we want, with more money for health and pensions and schools – without paying for them. We can’t."
That's the same link I just posted - where's the rubbishing?
"Below we outline an initial response from IFS Director Paul Johnson on the Conservative Party manifesto. We take policy areas by turn but this is not a full assessment. A fuller assessment from IFS researchers is due shortly."
 

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