Another one who thinks Liar Johnson is lying about not extending.Not true - because...….………..
Once the EU recognise that there is a viable threat of a No-Deal outcome and the political will to use it - they may well enter more committedly into negotiations that lead to a framework being established that facilitates either:
a) the date being achieved with an agreed schedule of detail to be continued to be worked on, or
b) an acceptable delay is agreed to reach the above position - and the majority of the electorate will not see this as 'die in ditch' stuff - just as they apparently have not recently
It has of course - despite the denial on here - always been true that we would not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the viable threat of a No-Deal outcome and the political will to use it.
It was pointed out in 2016 and frequently since - and recently proven to be 100% correct - it will still be true in 2020
Along with the clip of Gove saying we'd still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border?This clip should be posted every 5 pages to make sure people really understand the truth of what many have denied for over three years
And if someone gets a majority with 28% support?I’m not commenting on the 2nd part as I don’t know but in relation to your 1st part I totally agree.
We’re in this strange world at the moment where what people choose or what they stand for, which is entirely their democratic right, is usually demonised and the rhetoric seems to be going down the route of them having no right.
Leave voters being called racists, LibDems being attacked for their revoke policy, Labour members for electing Corbyn, Labour members then chasing centre ground members out of the party, Tory remain MP’s being attacked, Farage’s Brexit Party being attacked.
These are all examples and we’re all guilty of it to some degree.
We need to calm the fuck down in this country and let the natural democratic process take its place.
If the country votes in Johnson, fine. If they vote in Corbyn, fine. If they vote in Swinson, fine.
FPTP isn’t great but it’s what we have and so just get on with it and let the public decide who they want.
Most Labour voters voted Remain.Yes that makes sense but there is a difference between the membership and lifelong Labour voters.
Let's face it, as it stands the difference in the election will be made by the people who will be voting Tory for the first and last time in their lives.
I don't think this is an election about Brexit, it is an election about making sure that Brexit happens. Labour weren't a threat to that previously but now they are and they have muddled trying to quash the Lib Dem vote by losing their bigger leave voting one.
What utter disingenuous bollocks - and you know itJohnson eventually ended up voting for the ‘constitutional disaster’.
And how is it a ‘constitutional disaster’ to support a proposal that saw all four home nations treated equally as opposed to a proposal that treats one home nation differently to the other three and with no democratic mandate in that nation consenting to this different treatment? Surely the latter is more of a constitutional threat given it separates U.K. sovereign territory and permits the economic writ of foreign nations within that territory?
Another one who thinks Liar Johnson is lying about not extending.
You forgot one incentive the EU won't have. We've agreed they get the £39 billion even without a trade deal. And don't we keep paying contributions during transition? (£15 billion on the red bus figure or £8 billion if we got our rebate - or do we lose our rebate when we leave?)
FFS you cling to that like a baby with a dummyAlong with the clip of Gove saying we'd still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border?
Yeah shame about Iraq.I see Tony Blair is pushing hard for a Labour victory by declaring Jeremy dangerous.
What utter disingenuous bollocks - and you know it
The unfettered backstop put the making of key policies for the entire UK under the control of the EU for many years
And you are not stupid - you know this
No.FFS you cling to that like a baby with a dummy
Yet you are one of those that emphasise that Brexit meant so many things to different people
Inconsistent?
At least Blair won some elections, prevented Tory governments, and helped some families.Yeah shame about Iraq.
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Yeah but Blair deserved a three point deduction for Iraq.At least Blair won some elections, prevented Tory governments, and helped some families.
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Yeah but Blair deserved a three point deduction for Iraq.
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We've done this to death, so just to remind you, Johnson and others who had voted against finally voted "for" because they thought Brexit would be lost. Then along came Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party and electoral obliteration soon awaited the Tory Party thus, quickly, May was deposed and a Tory leadership election took place.Johnson eventually ended up voting for the ‘constitutional disaster’.
And how is it a ‘constitutional disaster’ to support a proposal that saw all four home nations treated equally as opposed to a proposal that treats one home nation differently to the other three and with no democratic mandate in that nation consenting to this different treatment? Surely the latter is more of a constitutional threat given it separates U.K. sovereign territory and permits the economic writ of foreign nations within that territory?
Distortion? No just lyiing. All politicians lie. Indeed, politician is simply a synonym of liar.That's such a distortion. Leave promised a soft Brexit- in case you missed it, "we will still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border". Remainers would have been ok with that but we didn't have any chance to "push for it" as the mad Tories won the cabinet battle. It's why I don't care about honouring the result; the winners didn't honour their promises. Gove said as much last March.
We've done this to death, so just to remind you, Johnson and others who had voted against finally voted "for" because they thought Brexit would be lost. Then along came Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party and electoral obliteration soon awaited the Tory Party thus, quickly, May was deposed and a Tory leadership election took place.
Then Corbyn deserves a three point deduction for handing the **** the keys to number 10.Yeah but Blair deserved a three point deduction for Iraq.
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To some leavers yes. To many, no.So a constitutional disaster was preferable to losing Brexit? And you still haven’t answered why treating all four home nations equally and as one is a ‘constitutional disaster’ when treating one home nation differently and allowing the economic writ of foreign countries within that nation and imposing a customs border within our own Union is not?
To some leavers yes. To many, no.
As to the 4 nation thing, that's not how UK referenda work. It's a simple majoryty vote construct.They don't elect a president from an electoral college.
But of course you know this, you are simply pushing a "straw man" argument.