General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Vic]

Yevett Cooper caught out in her criticism of the early release of Usman Khan.
Oh dear, the law was changed in 2012 and clearly needs to be changed again.

Caught out? By Patel's lie?

 

[Vic]

Prior to 2012, release after half the sentence with controls (tags etc) was mandatory. After 2012 it was tightened to be determined by the Parole board or overridden for a longer time period if the judge decided as such. Khan succesfully appealed against the judges ruling to put it back in the hands of the Parole board. For whatever reason he was released.
I personally think that a terrorist cannot be parolled unless there is a low chance of reoffending as a result of deradicalisation before release NOT after.

I'm not sure whether you are deliberately getting it wrong to misinform, but it would be better if you understood stuff before posting.

 

[blueinsa]

Corbyn has opened his mouth and put another 10 Tories into seats I see.

Not like him to go against public opinion and suggest not all terrorists should serve a full sentance.

Those poor terrorists....

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Corbyn has opened his mouth and put another 10 Tories into seats I see.

Not like him to go against public opinion and suggest not all terrorists should serve a full sentance.

Those poor terrorists....

Anyone and everyone who hates Britain always gets an easy ride, people may get the impression
that there isn't a terrorist he doesn't like.

 

[urban genie]

The tactical voting lot are ramping up their campaign



IBS, Raab, johnson and gove apparently could be beat if the pacts that are being made do happen

 

[blueinsa]

Anyone and everyone who hates Britain always gets an easy ride, people may get the impression
that there isn't a terrorist he doesn't like.

The man is a dangerous **** who is simply not fit for office.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The man is a dangerous **** who is simply not fit for office.

I’m not sure Corbyn is any better :-)

 

[blueinsa]

I’m not sure Corbyn is any better :-)

Indeed.

What flavour shit would you like isn't the best question the nation should be facing is it?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Indeed.

What flavour shit would you like isn't the best question the nation should be facing is it?

Sad times. Perhaps we need to eat a shit sandwich for a while to move away from these extremes we seem to be at.

 

[George Hannah]

I'm not sure whether you are deliberately getting it wrong to misinform, but it would be better if you understood stuff before posting.

The familiar Vic empty insult - OK spill. What do you understand that's different from BA after your Daily Doorstep Disinformation Digest from the comrades?

 

[George Hannah]

The tactical voting lot are ramping up their campaign

IBS, Raab, Johnson and Gove apparently could be beat if the pacts that are being made do happen

Only in Labour's deranged digital universe I suspect, hope they're right though ;)

 

[urban genie]

Only in Labour's deranged digital universe I suspect, hope they're right though ;)

I don't think it is labour supporters pushing this tbf, but a collection of people who want rid of the tories

 

[Len Rum]

The man is a dangerous **** who is simply not fit for office.

Not a very nice thing to say about BoJo.

 

[blueinsa]

Not a very nice thing to say about BoJo.

You must cringe every time the supreme leader opens his gob Len?

Shame.

 

[George Hannah]

Corbyn has opened his mouth and put another 10 Tories into seats I see.
Not like him to go against public opinion and suggest not all terrorists should serve a full sentance.Those poor terrorists....

Extraordinary
"Jeremy Corbyn has told Sky News that convicted terrorists should "not necessarily" serve their full prison sentences automatically after Boris Johnson said violent offenders "must serve every day of their sentence, with no exceptions". The leaders' comments come in the wake of the London Bridge terror attack, which left two civilians dead.
The attacker, 28-year-old Usman Khan, was a convicted terrorist who was wearing an electronic tag after being released halfway through a 16-year prison sentence for plotting to bomb the London Stock Exchange. Speaking to Sky's Sophy Ridge, the Labour leader said there were lessons to be learned from the incident and there should be a "full investigation" into the circumstances around the attacker's prison sentence and subsequent release."
https://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-a...arly-release-of-london-bridge-killer-11875070

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Extraordinary
"Jeremy Corbyn has told Sky News that convicted terrorists should "not necessarily" serve their full prison sentences automatically after Boris Johnson said violent offenders "must serve every day of their sentence, with no exceptions". The leaders' comments come in the wake of the London Bridge terror attack, which left two civilians dead.
The attacker, 28-year-old Usman Khan, was a convicted terrorist who was wearing an electronic tag after being released halfway through a 16-year prison sentence for plotting to bomb the London Stock Exchange. Speaking to Sky's Sophy Ridge, the Labour leader said there were lessons to be learned from the incident and there should be a "full investigation" into the circumstances around the attacker's prison sentence and subsequent release."
https://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-a...arly-release-of-london-bridge-killer-11875070

There was a poll out yesterday that showed the Tory lead had reduced quite a lot. Given it seems he’d far rather stand on the sidelines shouting than actually becoming PM, it must have put the wind up him quite a bit. This was an ideal opportunity to stretch that Tory lead back out to double figures and he appears to have grasped it with both hands..

 

[Len Rum]

Extraordinary
"Jeremy Corbyn has told Sky News that convicted terrorists should "not necessarily" serve their full prison sentences automatically after Boris Johnson said violent offenders "must serve every day of their sentence, with no exceptions". The leaders' comments come in the wake of the London Bridge terror attack, which left two civilians dead.
The attacker, 28-year-old Usman Khan, was a convicted terrorist who was wearing an electronic tag after being released halfway through a 16-year prison sentence for plotting to bomb the London Stock Exchange. Speaking to Sky's Sophy Ridge, the Labour leader said there were lessons to be learned from the incident and there should be a "full investigation" into the circumstances around the attacker's prison sentence and subsequent release."
https://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-a...arly-release-of-london-bridge-killer-11875070

Interesting.
You'd think the Tories hadn't been allowing early release of terrorists for the last nine years.

 

[Scottyboi]

Fucking hell Jezza use some common sense every now and again, Labour start doing well in the polls again and he comes out with a line that can get spun to fuck. Honestly it is idiotic.

 

[George Hannah]

No. Radio 4. Reporting on the change in the law and the Levenson appeal.

Correct
"Leveson ruling opened the door to killer

Just over a year after Khan was jailed - Lord Justice Leveson, sitting with two other judges at the Court of Appeal, quashed that sentence

Steve Bird 30 NOVEMBER 2019 • 9:00PM

When Usman Khan was jailed for 16 years in 2012, the judge ruled that the Al Qaeda inspired jihadi could only be released if and when a parole board was convinced he no longer posed a threat to the public. That so called “indeterminate sentence” intended to secure “imprisonment for public protection” may have meant the terrorist would not have been freed to launch Friday’s terror attack.

However, in 2013 - just over a year after Khan was jailed - Lord Justice Leveson, sitting with two other judges at the Court of Appeal, quashed that sentence.
They found the original trial judge had “wrongly characterised” Khan’s plans as more dangerous than some of the other defendants in his terror cell. So, Khan was given a “determinate” 16-year sentence, making him eligible for release on licence in December last year.

The appeal case hinged on whether Khan and his two Stoke colleagues, who wanted to follow Osama bin Laden’s example and set up a terror training camp abroad, posed as much of a risk to Britain as those defendants who plotted to detonate a pipe bomb at the London Stock Exchange. The crown court judge was adamant Khan was a career terrorist. However, on appeal Khan’s barristers successfully argued that Khan was not “more sophisticated”, but was merely “bigging up” their terrorist credentials.

The judges accepted their assertion that ”fanciful plans” to build a terror camp in Kashmir meant they were not, unlike other defendants, planning attacks in the UK.

In the ruling, Mr Justice Leveson wrote “the risk posed to the public could not be greater from those who who were very much further away from realising their apparent goal than those who were far closer to doing so.” It adds there was “no suggestion” Khan had been trained or was close to building the camp. "

Usman Khan

Mr Justice Leveson added that “there is an argument for concluding that anyone convicted of such an offence should be incentivised to demonstrate that he can safely be released; such a decision is then better left to the parole board for consideration proximate in time to the date when release becomes possible.”
However, the parole board said it had no involvement in Khan’s release and that he "appears to have been released automatically on licence" halfway through his sentence.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The tactical voting lot are ramping up their campaign



IBS, Raab, johnson and gove apparently could be beat if the pacts that are being made do happen

I’d be staggered if Johnson lost his seat.