General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Ban-jani]

Maybe it's for the best....

Can you believe she won I’m a celeb!?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Can you believe she won I’m a celeb!?

Was she in the Spice Girls?

 

[Ban-jani]

Absolute disgrace if Johnson gets a majority. Fuck me, that will have taken some doing.

Well done lefties, well done.

FPTP is an utter abomination.

Both major parties deserve to be sidelined but people just think they’ve got the choice of 2 of them. I include myself in that and I keep changing my mind with what to do.

 

[Ban-jani]

Was she in the Spice Girls?

Think she used to be a bloke.

 

[Chippy_boy]

So despite both parties fielding candidates who've posted dubious content one has a obvious deep rooted problem while it's equally obvious that the other has no such affliction.

Correct.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

FPTP is an utter abomination.

Both major parties deserve to be sidelined but people just think they’ve got the choice of 2 of them. I include myself in that and I keep changing my mind with what to do.

Labour could have got rid of FPTP in 1997, but they got greedy. They’re paying the price now.

 

[Metal Biker]

Trump
Farage
Brexit
Mogg
This Tory government ...List goes on.

For once can we just stop giving these right wing extremists the powers to carry on.

Sure, just stop treating anyone who opposes or questions "the left" as "evil, idiotic racist scum" and you're likely to get the moderates on board, as they are the ones who decide elections.

4 years on and some in politics still haven't learned you attract more flies with honey than vinegar.

 

[ROCKET80]

A Tory vote is a vote that endorses Racism, Homophobia, Sexism, disdain for the disabled, the homeless, the poor, the working class and everyone impacted by austerity. To say it isn't is to lie to yourself.

Labour are not the only alternative. Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Independents, vote for any of them.

The two main parties will only get better when they realise the electorate demand better from them. We can only do this with our vote and by voting for someone else more deserving of representing our country at the highest level. Otherwise it will continue and the same shite will be offered up time and time again.

The Tories have done nothing during their tenure to deserve another 5 years, their infighting on Europe and internal power struggles led to the shit show that is Brexit, the ramifications of which will go on for generations. Nobody is shouting about all the great things they've done, just the PM, a serial liar (not someone who lies a bit) avoiding proper scrutiny whilst lying to everyone gullible enough to fall for it.

It's scorpion and the frog.​

 

[ROCKET80]

Sure, just stop treating anyone who opposes or questions "the left" as "evil, idiotic racist scum" and you're likely to get the moderates on board, as they are the ones who decide elections.

4 years on and some in politics still haven't learned you attract more flies with honey than vinegar.

The Tories are currently attracting a lot more with shit.

 

[purplenose]

A Tory vote is a vote that endorses Racism, Homophobia, Sexism, disdain for the disabled, the homeless, the poor, the working class and everyone impacted by austerity. To say it isn't is to lie to yourself.

Labour are not the only alternative. Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Independents, vote for any of them.

The two main parties will only get better when they realise the electorate demand better from them. We can only do this with our vote and by voting for someone else more deserving of representing our country at the highest level. Otherwise it will continue and the same shite will be offered up time and time again.

The Tories have done nothing during their tenure to deserve another 5 years, their infighting on Europe and internal power struggles led to the shit show that is Brexit, the ramifications of which will go on for generations. Nobody is shouting about all the great things they've done, just the PM, a serial liar (not someone who lies a bit) avoiding proper scrutiny whilst lying to everyone gullible enough to fall for it.

It's scorpion and the frog.​

Excellent resume of the Tories. Good to know i am not the only one who talks out of my arse.

Not sure about any of the alternatives though hence i for one am not bothering. Simply can not endorse any of them this time round.

 

[mcfc1632]

Why should anyone attend a 5 to 1 beat-up, especially when fronted by the politically biased Channel 4, is beyond me.

Quite a lot of people - i.e. those that are criticising - are, IMO, simply displaying their frustration at the opportunity lost for some event to occur that could damage the Conservatives ahead of the vote on Thursday. I understand that and would probably feel the same way if this was Corbyn 10 points ahead and refusing to attend events where there was a prospect that he could be damaged.

They do miss key facts though - again as I likely would in a different circumstance.

These televised debates are not the historical norm and are in fact quite a recent part of GEs and of course the TV companies want them to become entrenched/enshrined - not just 1, 2 or 3 Leader debates but an ever increasing number

So it is easy to think that they are essential from the perspective of the media and those supporting a party other than the one 'out in front' - but, from the perspective of that party, what is in it for them? and in this example, as you say, "Why should anyone attend a 5 to 1 beat-up, especially when fronted by the politically biased Channel 4, is beyond me..."

This is an high-stakes political campaign undertaken in a world where fewer and fewer people watch live TV but the opportunity/risk of a snippet from a show that makes someone look bad would become quickly viral and do enormous damage is real and something to be carefully considered and mitigated.

Let's face it there would be every chance that Andrew Neil could create a good few clips/soundbites that Johnson and his 'handlers' would badly regret and which could make Johnson look really bad and do damage to the election outcome.

Considering how a clip can do enormous damage or help - just think how much would Corby/Labour have benefitted amongst the youth vote from the 10secs recording of 'Oh Jeremy Corby' being sung at Glastonbury as an example.

There will be some experienced and savvy people carefully calculating the risk and opportunity presented by each of these events and making decisions on that basis. There is not some 'Queensberry rules' that are required to be confirmed to - Johnson's handlers will be making very specific calculations based on the assessment of risk/opportunity.

Re the Neil interview, yes, there is a risk of non-attendance causing damage to the Johnson reputation (that is an ever-present danger when he speaks - lol) - but it is likely that the risk is far higher that the next day millions of people who had not bothered to watch would be viewing the short cringeworthy extract clips.

So I expect the judgement call is that the risk of attending is far higher than that of not attending - so best to implement a defence - like saying ".... I have already answered all these questions in many other interviews...."

People are just frustrated - I understand that - and the clock is ticking without the bounce for Corbyn that happened last time so the frustration gets worse

 

[mcfc1632]

Absolute disgrace if Johnson gets a majority. Fuck me, that will have taken some doing.

Well done lefties, well done.

Yep

And if there is as a consequence a future no-deal outcome (there won't be) - then their intransigence will therefore have been a significant factor - because it would need a Conservative working majority for that to occur.

But I bet they will not accept ay responsibility though, or accept show any recognition that their purism etc. actually badly damaged the LP

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Does he not caveat his his point about Venezuela with the amounts of corruption within the government after Chavez's tenure? And during his tenure education standards went up as Chavez put more into the system as well as healthcare. He did that using the wealth of one of the most oil rich countries in the world.

You're focusing on the corruption that happened afterwards.

Absolute and utter bullshit, Chavez went around the country pointing at industries and businesses, saying
'Expropriate it.' The massive flight of people and the collapse of the economy,with the resultant dreadful shortages
is what followed.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I’m thinking he would have considered it a socialist state if the experiment had worked... I’m not an expert on socialism but I don’t know of any socialist experiments that have worked? Are there any?

No.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

In that case my humble suggestion is to explain to the people behind those doors that there is a practical difference between 'overthrowing' and 'transforming' capitalism pretty quickly - otherwise this throwback's class war plans will put the Tories in power for yet another five years.

At least Mcdonnell holds a degree in economics ...... unlike Gideon Osborne who failed his GCSE Maths ..... (jobs for the boys eh? )

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

What haven't we (ie those who take what he says himself as reliable) absorbed? Are you suggesting for example McDonnell does not see overthrowing capitalism as essentially a Venezuelan style socialist transformation? Just for starters - let's see if we can have a coherent discussion on that single topic.

Not sure we could achieve Venezuelan style socialism without refusing to sell America our oil and threatening to withdraw from OPEC ..........without that the Yanks couldn't impose punitive sanctions on us.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I’m thinking he would have considered it a socialist state if the experiment had worked... I’m not an expert on socialism but I don’t know of any socialist experiments that have worked? Are there any?

The NHS

 

[inbetween]

A Tory vote is a vote that endorses Racism, Homophobia, Sexism, disdain for the disabled, the homeless, the poor, the working class and everyone impacted by austerity. To say it isn't is to lie to yourself.

Labour are not the only alternative. Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Independents, vote for any of them.

The two main parties will only get better when they realise the electorate demand better from them. We can only do this with our vote and by voting for someone else more deserving of representing our country at the highest level. Otherwise it will continue and the same shite will be offered up time and time again.

The Tories have done nothing during their tenure to deserve another 5 years, their infighting on Europe and internal power struggles led to the shit show that is Brexit, the ramifications of which will go on for generations. Nobody is shouting about all the great things they've done, just the PM, a serial liar (not someone who lies a bit) avoiding proper scrutiny whilst lying to everyone gullible enough to fall for it.

It's scorpion and the frog.

You can repeat all of the Labour soundbites and accusations but people are bored of it.

The greatest issue of the day is Brexit and ignorance on Brexit will cost Labour, everyone has said it for years.

This election will likely see the largest swing ever of the working class vote to the Tories.... That tells you all you need to know.

 

[blueinsa]

Richard Burgon is the worst of the lot!

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Richard Burgon is the worst of the lot!

brain dead.