After the 'help' i got off him recently, I'll pass (i'll tell you when I see you, quite complex and to do with moll's school).
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urban genie
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After the 'help' i got off him recently, I'll pass (i'll tell you when I see you, quite complex and to do with moll's school).
I thought he helped you, if he was a waste of time I will review my position of him being a choice.
I'll tell you when I see you. Yes, he got involved, but the absolute bare minimum that meant his box got ticked that he'd 'helped'. Exactly nothing has changed or will change as a result of him getting involved. Very disappointed.I thought he helped you, if he was a waste of time I will review my position of him being a choice.
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Who's your pick for Labour leader?I think you are wrong in this assessment. The Johnson government will be redrawing the boundaries, as a matter of course. They will make them all a comparable size, which will be to the detriment of the Labour Party. Next to go will be the fixed term parliament act, so Johnson can call an election when he deems it fit. So, for LAbour to ever win again, they will need middle English votes as a minimum and should really come all out against Scottish independence. They then have a chance of picking up the votes form the half of Scotland that do not want independence as well as some votes of Scots who do not want a Tory government.
Sticking on the left wing will mean none of these things are possible and sometimes you just have to accept that part of the cake is better than none of the cake.
Fame Monster
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The thing is on the bigotgate is she was biggoted the only problem was brown got caught
And let's be honest when we play someome like burnley or ever talk about the place it is refered to as a place full of inbreds, six fingered trogs, yonners , backwards people, racists etc and people from warrington, skem, liegh are refered to as woollybacks, and you see it in here from posters of all political leanings
Really it isn't just labour and the woke brigade that look down on these places, but city dwelling folk in general, the difference is labour let too many city dwellers speak for them.
If you get what I mean
But if Labour wants to win an election, it can't afford to look down on vast swathes of the country and it needs to understand that a desire to control immigration is normally (not always) rooted in a desire to bring about better economic outcomes for themselves or family (lower rents/higher wages etc) rather than a dislike of foreigners. Unfortunately, the metropolitan wing of the party (Corbyn, Lewis, Abbott) don't understand that and for as long as they consider controls on immigration (as per the Miliband mug) as pandering to racists then they will keep on losing.
That's why I think it's important that the next leader understands that and shouldn't be from a big city but they also need to consider that immigration is just one part of why Labour keeps losing although it is a big part given that it was the biggest reason for the Brexit vote.
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Surely Emily Thornberry won't be the new leader. Odds on she said that stuff about thick constituents, she has form on looking down her nose at working class people.
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Labour reflecting upon it's woes summed up
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If you want to win an election you want Dan Jarvis (MP for Barnsley Central). A former major in the Parachute Regiment, I'd have NO issues voting for him at all, after all he has been prepared to lay down his life for our country!Thread infested with Tories advising out of the goodness of their hearts what Labour should do now.
I'll probably have to wait two elections for Labour to see sence though.
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Thread infested with Tories advising out of the goodness of their hearts what Labour should do now.
Isn't it funny, lol? People who are ready to vote Johnson giving names who would they vote for from Labour. What's the point of Labour then if they are liked by Tories :)
It's fucking stupid idea to have a leader who could win an election just for winning an election sake. Or to be more precise, it's fucking stupid idea for an average bloke, i might be a great idea for party leaders and MP candidates.
Party should have it's own ideology and promote it to win votes, not adjusting it's ideas to win them or listening what people like to win an election. In that case, we should all be Rags or Dippers, that's what is most popular out there. I am allergic on politicians who are going after flavour of a day political ideas, these don't care about anything but themselves.
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Labour clearly need help to provide the Tories with a good standard of opposition. :-)Isn't it funny, lol? People who are ready to vote Johnson giving names who would they vote for from Labour. What's the point of Labour then if they are liked by Tories :)
It's fucking stupid idea to have a leader who could win an election just for winning an election sake. Party should have it's own ideology and promote it to win votes, not adjusting it's ideas to win them or listening what people like to win an election. In that case, we should all be Rags or Dippers, that's what is most popular out there.
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Labour clearly need help to provide the Tories with a good standard of opposition. :-)
Haha. I never met a ruler who likes any kind of opposition :)
If you want to win an election you want Dan Jarvis (MP for Barnsley Central). A former major in the Parachute Regiment, I'd have NO issues voting for him at all, after all he has been prepared to lay down his life for our country!
I'll probably have to wait two elections for Labour to see sence though.
Don't know much about him but being prepared to die for your country is not a qualification for leading the LP. After all I imagine Paddy Ashdown and even a few Tories might have done that.
Also can you imagine Johnson doing that? I can't yet he seems to be popular enough with his party.
Party should have it's own ideology and promote it to win votes, not adjusting it's ideas to win them or listening what people like to win an election. In that case, we should all be Rags or Dippers, that's what is most popular out there. I am allergic on politicians who are going after flavour of a day political ideas, these don't care about anything but themselves.
Just wouldn't work over here at all with our electoral system. On top of that, bear in mind we've just elected a bloke with virtually no principles over a guy who dogmatically stuck to his. Also, you absolutely need to adapt to the times and climate you're in. Would be foolish not to. Johnson's 'Get Brexit Done' worked perfectly as it captured the mood of enough of the electorate to give him a huge majority. Labour are gonna need someone who can judge the mood of the nation in a few years time and come up with the right policies. They just have to hope Johnson doesn't shock us all and actually becomes a great PM as opposed to the c*nt we currently think he is.
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Just wouldn't work over here at all with our electoral system. On top of that, bear in mind we've just elected a bloke with virtually no principles over a guy who dogmatically stuck to his. Also, you absolutely need to adapt to the times and climate you're in. Would be foolish not to. Johnson's 'Get Brexit Done' worked perfectly as it captured the mood of enough of the electorate to give him a huge majority. Labour are gonna need someone who can judge the mood of the nation in a few years time and come up with the right policies. They just have to hope Johnson doesn't shock us all and actually becomes a great PM as opposed to the c*nt we currently think he is.
It doesn't work anywhere if you don't have majority of people ideologically aligned to you. But, as far as I am concerned, that's the way politics should be. Having your own ideology and ideas and trying to align people with it. Otherwise, you're not politician, you're PR guy. It is even more risky with your voting system, I agree, as you might finish third and not have any representation of your ideas in parliament. But anyway, stick to your beliefs.
Don't know much about him but being prepared to die for your country is not a qualification for leading the LP. After all I imagine Paddy Ashdown and even a few Tories might have done that.
Also can you imagine Johnson doing that? I can't yet he seems to be popular enough with his party.
I feel awful and cynical saying this but he lost his wife to cancer and is an ex-serviceman. Be very difficult for the media to vilify him against a serial shagger like Johnson.
jay_mcfc
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Good insight that mate.
Of course there will be significant regional variations and anomolies, but I wonder to what extent the data above is representative of the general direction of travel of the UK? My guess would be "very".
Whilst the resident hard left dickheads will endlessly claim that the country is more like Sierra Leone than the UK, the reality is that *most* people have been getting progressively better off over the past 50 years, and that less and less, people are identifying with Arthur Scargill politics. One Tony Blair spotted this, but the nutters now running the Labour Party still have their heads in the sand.
Better off? When did you buy your house? For example, in 1997 your average house price was four times the average salary. Today it is over 8 times your salary! So by what metric do you measure?
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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I don’t think he will stand but I’d have Hilary Benn.Who's your pick for Labour leader?
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Thread infested with Tories advising out of the goodness of their hearts what Labour should do now.
You would think those that have been fawning over Corbyn and Labour for years would like a bit of perspective seeing as the ones you think are electable got a right twatting. If you think it’s just Tories contributing to this thread then that’s the whole problem. The lack of self awareness from the cult since they lost the election and let down a lot of pretty desperate people is quite staggering.
Thread infested with Tories advising out of the goodness of their hearts what Labour should do now.
You see, many of those you're classing as Tories are nothing of the kind. I don't class myself as one for a start. I've voted Labour & Conservative in the past and will probably do so in the future depending on their respective manifesto's and record whilst in Government.
Your post is yet another example of you just not getting it.
Better off? When did you buy your house? For example, in 1997 your average house price was four times the average salary. Today it is over 8 times your salary! So by what metric do you measure?
He keeps repeating this mantra.
I think he thinks that because everyone has a mobile phone and can fly Ryanair to Lithuania for a stag weekend, that they've never had it so good.
House prices, job insecurity, increasing pension ages, worsening public services.