Another new Brexit thread

[Ban-jani]

I am a unionist so is my wife and daughter, my son was now not so much., we all voted no last time. So rumbled don’t think so. Ive always supported the idea of coalition government. Voted for Labour many more times than SNP, voted Liberal twice SNP 3 times. But we aren’t talking about Scotland So one more time Ill ask a very simple question do you think FPTP producing huge majorities that cant be held to account on 44% of the vote is good or bad? If you think its good, thats fine just say so,

The SNP wouldn’t have a sniff in a proper PR democracy.

Just a side point that FPTP serves them well.

And another side note, Sturgeon celebrating Swinson losing her seat in that manner was totally cringeworthy and detestable.

The SNP are detestable though so at least she’s in the right party.

 

[blueparrot]

Do you support Scottish Independence, yes or no?

Today and last time we voted no as I just said. Why are you obsessing about my personal vote when the conversation was about the rights and wrongs of FPTP .

 

[west didsblue]

Yes!

Are teenagers voices not welcome or considered mature enough for you?
Against the "votes for 16 year olds" then I take it?

No problem with 16 year olds voting.

14 is a bit young though.

 

[Ban-jani]

No problem with 16 year olds voting.

14 is a bit young though.

Nonce ;-)

 

[blueparrot]

The SNP wouldn’t have a sniff in a proper PR democracy.

Just a side point that FPTP serves them well.

And another side note, Sturgeon celebrating Swinson losing her seat in that manner was totally cringeworthy and detestable.

The SNP are detestable though so at least she’s in the right party.

It a point of view wrong imo but nothing to do with anything I posted. As the only party Ive voted less for are the tories.I’m no died in the wool SNP voter . At the moment they are the best centre left home for my vote.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Are you a teenager?

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[Ban-jani]

It a point of view wrong imo but nothing to do with anything I posted. As the only party Ive voted less for are the tories.I’m no died in the wool SNP voter . At the moment they are the best centre left home for my vote.

You vote for whoever you wish to my good man.

Do not let anyone tell you otherwise.

I’ll just be over here slagging the SNP off but I’m not about to attack anyone for voting for any party.

 

[dave_blue12]

You must be trolling now.

It's the same as the UK, it's the same most anywhere. Metropolitan areas have more people able to vote than sparser towns, so they have more representatives in parliament. If your side had won you would not have been complaining about Tory/leave representation, would you.

Your hypocrisy is staggering.

Much like your stupidity

 

[Metal Biker]

Much like your stupidity

I thought you said you were done talking to me.

I guess you had one more, huh!

 

[dave_blue12]

Then why are you complaining, because you've backed an even smaller minority and you're upset you're not being listened to?

Would your chosen party have listened to 17.4m leave voters opinions had they got into government?

I have no chosen Party.

I have my own values.

This is not football ffs

 

[Metal Biker]

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OOF! Who hurt you, Blue Hefner!

 

[Metal Biker]

I have no chosen Party.

I have my own values.

This is not football ffs

Make that two more.
You're still not saying who you voted for though, that makes you feel your views should be respected more than those who voted for a party that declared they would ensure the UK left the EU.

Not that i'm bothered who you voted for, I just want to know why you feel your chosen support means you have the opinion to suggest that those who voted for parties in favour of leaving over those who didn't suggests an overall national admission of rejecting leaving the EU, when the party proposing such a policy was more supported?

It's just odd.

 

[Metal Biker]

Today and last time we voted no as I just said. Why are you obsessing about my personal vote when the conversation was about the rights and wrongs of FPTP .

But you talk about Scottish Independence, and I didn't ask how you voted last time, I asked if you supported the concept, yes or no.

Why do you advocate for independence if you don't?

 

[Ohrodneyrodney]

Can we have another New New Brexit thread where we can re-hash all the old arguments time and time again, with votes and everything, and pretend none of the actual votes over the past three years have happened ?

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

All the Tories who didnt vote were either Assistant speakers or paired with Labour MPs who were too Ill to come in to school today.

Thanks I didn't understand what pairing meant tbh

 

[mcfc1632]

Can we have another New New Brexit thread where we can re-hash all the old arguments time and time again, with votes and everything, and pretend none of the actual votes over the past three years have happened ?

I bet some of the Remainers would still bang on about the campaign being unfair and that it was the bus wot won it

Oh and of course about the FTZ from Calais to Madrid

 

[Vic]

Idiot you say?

Have you not yet learned what was always utterly true:

"That we will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced by the prospect of a viable walk-away outcome and the political will to use it"

That has always been true - no matter how Remainers on here have not been able to grasp such basics

To be seen as viable and for the suggestion to use it to be seen as credible - then preparing robustly is essential

Seems that we ae going to see the negotiations planned and led by professionals at last (of course I do not mean Johnson here) - Johnson just needs to select the right team and back them

Also very true is that the EU team will not be feeling as confident and cocky as they have previously

Even if any of that is true, I'm not quite sure why Corbyn is to blame for No Deal (except for agreeing to an election that has left us with the possibility of a Tory No Deal, and for losing).

Who gave us an unwanted referendum? Tories.

Who said No Deal was better than a bad deal? Tories.

Who has delayed Brexit? Tories who had a parliamentary majority and couldn't agree any deal.

Who advocated No Deal during the referendum campaign? No Tories.

Who said we'd still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border?* Tory liars. * I never like to disappoint.

Who has a big majority and has no need to stick to a deadline to end transition that was always tight even when it was based on leaving nine months ago? Tory Liar Johnson.

Yet you think No Deal would be Corbyn's fault.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Idiot you say?

Have you not yet learned what was always utterly true:

"That we will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced by the prospect of a viable walk-away outcome and the political will to use it"

That has always been true - no matter how Remainers on here have not been able to grasp such basics

To be seen as viable and for the suggestion to use it to be seen as credible - then preparing robustly is essential

Seems that we ae going to see the negotiations planned and led by professionals at last (of course I do not mean Johnson here) - Johnson just needs to select the right team and back them

Also very true is that the EU team will not be feeling as confident and cocky as they have previously

Are you saying that the party you voted for and believe in implicitly to deliver Brexit didn't send their best negotiators last time ? But for some strange reason they will do so now?

 

[Coatigan]

And as I said, your own Scottish Parliament is doing a grand job of representing the 55% who voted to remain in the UK, haven't they.

Are you saying that PR is no more fair than FPTP?

Either way, with public vote returning 46.5% Snp and 6.6% green (both being independence parties), that parliament is representing what was voted on in 2016, under PR.

Obviously i'm Not claiming that translates as a desire for independence, or a shift in percentages from 2014.

Otherwise, agree with your 'we are where we are' stance, and that numbers and percentages do get spun when it suits.

 

[Vic]

You believe that high population metropolitan areas should have supremacy over sparsely populated areas?

Now you're sounding like an elitist! The system in America works to reflect the population numbers. Not every single state has an equal number of representatives. California has more that Nevada, in reference to it's higher population numbers.

You have no argument that makes any logical sense beyond "it simply isn't fair" when it absolutely is and has been studied to be fair. Nobody complained about the electoral college/popular vote under other presidential elections, did they. Yours is a tantrum like response.

The will of the majority of the voting public will be enacted. You need to accept that.

More ignorance. 1 college rep for every 720,000 Californian, 1 for every 500,000 from Nevada, 1 for every 190,000 from Wyoming.

Of course people have complained before. The 1876 election might have led to another civil war.

There is a growing movement for the states to allocate their college votes by proportion of the popular vote in each state.

Trump won't be found guilty because Nevada and Wyoming have the same number of senators as California.

As for the House of Representatives that favours sparsely populated states. "The formula for determining the priority of a state to be apportioned the next available seat defined by the method of equal proportions is

{\displaystyle A_{n}={\frac {P}{\sqrt {n(n+1)}}}}

where P is the population of the state, and n is the number of seats it currently holds before the possible allocation of the next seat".