Var debate 2019/20

[caseball]

Which team though?

You're outed. Which Premier League referee are you?

 

[BlueHammer85]

I've got a question for you. If there's a blatant handball for a penalty and the referee waves play on, when and how does the VAR intervene, if at all?

Doesn’t the VAR go to his earpiece in this instance or when the ball goes out of play ?

 

[caseball]

Doesn’t the VAR go to his earpiece in this instance or when the ball goes out of play ?

I don't know either. But I think by now every football fan ought to know what's supposed to happen because it's a pretty crucial use of the system. Before VAR we knew what happened. Nothing. But now it's not nothing, it could be anything. Nobody seems to know. Lack of transparency doesn't come more opaque. This sort of thing is why people are beyond sceptical about the way it's being used.

What if the ball next goes out of play in the back of the other team's net?

 

[BlueHammer85]

I don't know either. But I think by now every football fan ought to know what's supposed to happen because it's a pretty crucial use of the system. Before VAR we knew what happened. Nothing. But now it's not nothing, it could be anything. Nobody seems to know. Lack of transparency doesn't come more opaque. This sort of thing is why people are beyond sceptical about the way it's being used.

What if the ball next goes out of play in the back of the other team's net?

good points and questions. I’m sure it’s clarified in the VAR rules. Need to have a look

 

[Gazza]

You're outed. Which Premier League referee are you?

I drink in the centre of Altrincham - does that give any clues?

 

[Whymewhynot]

nah, not offended and i've never reported anyone, i'm just here debating VAR - I've stated many times my grievances with it aswell, but for me it has to be the way forward - as refs without technological help would equally kill the game for me.
Hopefully in time it will be more transparent and improve and you'll come back. Have a good crimbo Blue.

you are saying refs without help will kill the game? It’s done alright so far I’d say. I also think if var was scrapped many fans would accept the human error from a ref more, instead of the mess we now have? Killing a game more is knowing people are meant to be watching a game to deliver the correct calls, it is more of a game killer them people getting it so wrong that a ref, in the speed of the moment making a split second decision. Also not being able to celebrate a goal is killing the game. You’ve dug a hole so deep your only option is to keep going. You can backtrack and say what the rest of the football world is thinking, we won’t think any less of you x

 

[caseball]

I drink in the centre of Altrincham - does that give any clues?

Well you'll obviously do anything for a drink, so you're either Jon Moss or Phil Dowd.

 

[give it to gordon]

I've got a question for you. If there's a blatant handball for a penalty and the referee waves play on, when and how does the VAR intervene, if at all?

Well if the dippers go up the other end and score than VAR ignores the handball. I did see a match at the start of the season cant remember which teams. But there was a handball and the other team went straight up the other end and scored. At that moment VAR looked at the handball and gave a penalty so the goal didnt stand and play was brought back for a penalty. Like some have said depends on which teams are playing !

 

[ballinio]

Lol , most against Chelsea ? We’ve been fucked over by var 4 times in one match , bullshit those stats

 

[caseball]

good points and questions. I’m sure it’s clarified in the VAR rules. Need to have a look

IFAB says
If the ‘check’ indicates a probable ‘clear and obvious error’ or ‘serious missed incident’, the VAR will communicate this information (but not the decision to be taken) to the referee who will then decide whether or not to initiate a ‘review

The referee can initiate a ‘review’ for a potential ‘clear and obvious error’ or ‘serious missed incident’ when:
• the VAR (or another match official) recommends a ‘review’
• the referee suspects that something serious has been ‘missed’

If play has not already stopped, the referee stops play when the ball is next in a neutral zone/situation (usually when neither team is in an attacking move).

So in other words, any official can alert the ref and recommend a review.
The ref doesn't have to take any notice.
If he does take notice, he can only stop the game if the ball's bouncing about in midfield.

Sounds like a good, fair system to get those 'correct decisions' for everyone.

 

[ancoats]

am so looking forward to the liverpool home game and VAR will be the main talking point not the football

VAR is going to play a major part in the run in for both top 4 and bottom 3 teams and cups and champions league and managers and clubs stand to lose millions and jobs on the back of VAR, do they really know the damage they are doing or going to do and players and managers whole careers are on the line then you have angry fans its going to be fun

 

[Blueknows]

Ok. Suppose it’s impossible to get a true reflection as fans naturally see each decision different.

Not really we were all told at the start VAR will NOT interfere with the refs initial decision (red cards and penalties)...…..now we are looking at a totally different approach by VAR....where city are concerned that has already cost us a number of points

 

[Blue Til Death]

There is no debate, VAR Stinks, it's not even remotely fit for purpose, unless of course you are a rag or dipper fan....!!

 

[Bluearmy]

VAR to bail him out maybe the very reason he didnt give them. Helps avoid a hostile crowd decision especially against the home team (both of which were) Its called cause and effect. VAR will see refs and assistant refs not making decisions more often. Pointless to then say VAR cleared it up when VAR has created the none decision making environment in the first place.

You are totally incorrect, he actually gave a decision. A bloody idiotic/corrupt one that a clown could see wasnt right. He didn't give a "no" decision. he gave a foul against the keeper. So its far from pointless to say VAR cleared it up cos it did 100%. It corrected loads of decisions last week. If you can watch that and not see the value in VAR then you have an agenda. Its been going on years hence the need for VAR. Has it been implemented perfectly, no clearly!! Suspiciously so for me! It needs more transparency for sure, but its stopping the absolute howler/corruption that happened at Spurs.

 

[Bluearmy]

There is no debate, VAR Stinks, it's not even remotely fit for purpose, unless of course you are a rag or dipper fan....!!

It got most things right this weekend, for the sake of balance!!

 

[Blue Til Death]

It got most things right this weekend, for the sake of balance!!

So what, that does not excuse the utter calamity of a system, further degraded by corrupt officials operating it....

Getting it right one game from 38 isn't balance as far as I'm concerned...

 

[give it to gordon]

Before the Leicester game those pre-match presenters went through on the big screen about when and how VAR is used. I hadnt seen that before do you think that was City taking the piss out of VAR ?

 

[BlueHammer85]

you are saying refs without help will kill the game? It’s done alright so far I’d say. I also think if var was scrapped many fans would accept the human error from a ref more, instead of the mess we now have? Killing a game more is knowing people are meant to be watching a game to deliver the correct calls, it is more of a game killer them people getting it so wrong that a ref, in the speed of the moment making a split second decision. Also not being able to celebrate a goal is killing the game. You’ve dug a hole so deep your only option is to keep going. You can backtrack and say what the rest of the football world is thinking, we won’t think any less of you x

Just go back and watch the Chelsea v Spurs game without VAR or the Rangers v Celtic final. Absolutely farcical the refs decisions. Luckily VAR was there to correct them.

 

[Blue Mist]

Just go back and watch the Chelsea v Spurs game without VAR or the Rangers v Celtic final. Absolutely farcical the refs decisions. Luckily VAR was there to correct them.

Re The Spurs game, perhaps they had to correct bent Taylors decision or they would have been the laughing stock and everyone, even the naysayers would have said it was bent. Sons foul was at least a yellow in anybody's eyes. Taylor gave a throw in. When the keeper took the Chelsea player out I thought I was watching a Bruce Lee film. Taylor gave spurs the foul. If they hadn't over ruled that VAR would have lost all credibility. It wasn't that they didn't want to side with him, they simply couldn't. VAR would have been scrapped there and then and they all would have been sacked. Even bent refs aren't stupid enough to agree with Bent Anthony.

 

[Pell]

I don't like VAR, but the fact it was needed to give Chelsea that penalty shows what the other alternative is. It's like having to pick between a turd sandwich and a bowl of puke.