I’ve accepted it’s inevitable and believe if we don’t make it work it will most likely be an existential disaster for our nation, so think we’ve got to make the most if it.It was hard on Brexit. No reference to your sexual prowess intended.
Well said mate. I find it really depressing and very insulting that people like me (and especially me) is regarded as a **** for being a Tory. I happen to think I'm an OK and caring chap who most people would happily share a pint with. I give plenty to charity, and am honest and decent. I'm the guy who corrects the shop assistant when they give you too much change. The guy who goes into the adjacent market to buy a pie for the man begging outside TK Max in Cardiff. This year we decided to do without Xmas presents and give all the money to the Salvation Army instead. But no, I'm a Tory so I am a **** apparently.
Anyway, Merry Christmas everyone. I hope 2020 brings a better year for all of us.
Yeah I'm already doing that, our country is going down the crapper though and no hand holding singing kumbaya is going to change that.
Things are in a state right now and are only going to get worse, people might not wanna hear it because it's depressing but it's the truth.
We are in the brexit thread tbf ;)The country was in a state prior to Brexit and Brexit isn’t the fatal blow, that’s just my view and a different topic.
We are in the brexit thread tbf ;)
You were being very decent in your comments regarding Jezz the other day mate.Exactly... and try and inspire by doing so.
You and I can improve the country, if ever so slightly, just by being decent and being us.
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Seem to recall we were all in it together during austerity.I’ve accepted it’s inevitable and believe if we don’t make it work it will most likely be an existential disaster for our nation, so think we’ve got to make the most if it.
Didn’t think it was. I believe I’ve already previously pointed out to you, I don’t do insecure.
You were being very decent in your comments regarding Jezz the other day mate.
Practice what you preach.
You’ve started early, Len.Seem to recall we were all in it together during austerity.
Except we weren't.
So don't be fooled again.
Seem to recall we were all in it together during austerity.
Except we weren't.
So don't be fooled again.
Not touched a drop yet mate.You’ve started early, Len.
Ok.Not touched a drop yet mate.
Point is my belief is that Brexit will be used as cover for turning the country into a low wage, low regulation, low benefit economy with increasing inequality between rich and poor.
The blame will be laid at the door of the EU for not agreeing with the UKs 'reasonable' request for a 'mutually beneficial' trade deal.
I'm not going to be conned into adopting a spirit of 1939 in support of such a right wing project.
https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?img...AhUKM8AKHT_cCVwQ9QF6BAgLEAU#spf=1577211115291Not touched a drop yet mate.
Point is my belief is that Brexit will be used as cover for turning the country into a low wage, low regulation, low benefit economy with increasing inequality between rich and poor.
The blame will be laid at the door of the EU for not agreeing with the UKs 'reasonable' request for a 'mutually beneficial' trade deal.
I'm not going to be conned into adopting a spirit of 1939 in support of such a right wing project.
Yep - I am again entirely consistentReally?
Yep - you are essentially saying the same as I have been saying.All the opposition leaders and a large number of their MPs have to take some blame for Brexit for supporting a general election, whilst trailing hugely in the polls and getting absolutely nothing in return. The SNP supported it purely to shore up their own, one trick naked ambition. The Liberals have no idea why they supported it unless Swinson was actually suffering from delusions and thought she could be PM, whilst Corbyn supported it for god knows what reason, unless he was a similarly deluded as Swinson. In many ways it is probably the best outcome that none of these charlatans will be negotiating anything as they appear incapable of knowing when they hold the whip hand!
Johnson was desperate for an election and they gave it to him, for free. Not only that, by securing nothing in return, they let him have home advatage and a 5 goal start. Whilst Johnson will forever be associated with Brexit, if there are any negative consequences that flow from it, all the opposition parties need to recognise the roll they have played in facilitating it.
Should they have insisted on a second referendum, whilst being clear that the 'question' was going to be Johnsons deal or remain, he would have found it quite difficult to refuse, given how 'brilliant' he has continually said his deal was.
Or maybe it’s because your posts are incoherent drivel.Yep - you are essentially saying the same as I have been saying.
That @west didsblue likes this post just shows that he is incapable of reading posts as they are written rather than as he wants them to he twisted
Anyway - drinks to go to
Merry Christmas one and all
I think that I may have used the word 'blame' with regards Corbyn - when what I mean is 'responsible'
As I have posted a couple of times - without Corbyn's choices then a no-deal outcome would have been taken off the table long past.
But it is less 'blame' at the personal level and more just assessing the consequences of the responsibilities and actions of individuals
Perversely - without Gina Miller's actions then a BRINO Brexit would have been confirmed in 2017 - but I do not 'blame' her at a 'personal' level.
Whereas I do believe that Corbyn has more direct responsibility as he could have more readily seen the outcomes of his choices, e.g. he would have known that if he stood aside a few months ago a VONC and a government of NU would certainly have been formed and perhaps Brexit binned - he placed his personal aspirations ahead of that path.
This^.You voted for brexit. And I voted for brexit. I did so knowing full well that meant leaving the SM and the CU. Anything else would have been called a Brino brexit.
If it goes well I'll happily give it's architects credit. If it crashes and burns I'll criticise them.
One person I won't be blaming is Jeremy Corbyn. The whole brexit situation is the full and total responsibility of the Tory government. Just them. Nobody but them. And only them.
No one should be blaming Corbyn- He’s a real Brexit hero. Just for whipping his MP’s, twice, to vote against the Single Market amendment. A true Brexit hero.You voted for brexit. And I voted for brexit. I did so knowing full well that meant leaving the SM and the CU. Anything else would have been called a Brino brexit.
If it goes well I'll happily give it's architects credit. If it crashes and burns I'll criticise them.
One person I won't be blaming is Jeremy Corbyn. The whole brexit situation is the full and total responsibility of the Tory government. Just them. Nobody but them. And only them.
No one should be blaming Corbyn- He’s a real Brexit hero. Just for whipping his MP’s, twice, to vote against the Single Market amendment. A true Brexit hero.
The Tories own this. All of it. 100%.