Didn't mean 'right wing' as any sort of insult btw, and was actually refering more to media than folk on here. I don't think any of you are extreme right wing.I genuinely do not think that there are many folk on here that could be accurately described as 'right-wing'.
It is just that the forum has such a strong cadre of 'hard-left' leaning folk that Centrist or Centre-Left positioned people are repeatedly referred to as 'Right-Wing'. The truth is simply that there are quite a few traditional Labour supporters that are concerned about their party having been hijacked and it suits the hard-left to label them as right-wing
That it is commented upon so often does not make it anything other than untrue
The old notions of left and right have been recalibrated to such an extent that any debate along those lines is pretty meaningless.
The numbers who associate themselves as working class has been subject to huge change in the last 40 years, as have the priorities of those that still do.The working classes have always been left economically and right socially, I don't see it as a huge recalibration personally.
I genuinely do not think that there are many folk on here that could be accurately described as 'right-wing'.
It is just that the forum has such a strong cadre of 'hard-left' leaning folk that Centrist or Centre-Left positioned people are repeatedly referred to as 'Right-Wing'. The truth is simply that there are quite a few traditional Labour supporters that are concerned about their party having been hijacked and it suits the hard-left to label them as right-wing
That it is commented upon so often does not make it anything other than untrue
@Ban-jani so you may be more 'right-wing' than myself or others?
But hardly a RWNJ - the issue I was pointing at was that this not really a forum with more than a couple of 'seriously right-wing' posters on it - but there are a lot of 'seriously left-wing' posters
And Clause 4?Socially I am old school left wing, I believe in discipline, law and order, lazy people being encouraged to contribute, manners and good education, society being decent not decadent but fuck puritanism, won't stand for people treating others badly, hate racism and xenophobia, pro-choice and support LGBT.
Believe people should show repect and values, don't have a problem with people being called out for being cunts, cannot stand the ober sanitized attiitude to speech.
I am in no way like the new breed of liberals pretending through ignorance to be left wing and not understanding it's core meaning.
And Clause 4?
I think that you describe it well and I share the frustration that so many of 'us centrist types' get labelled 'hard-right' as part of what appears to be an attempt to demean when it is just nonsense.
Couple of points in support of what you say:
1. I did that same political compass test and came out centre-left as I expected
2. I read that analysis of the GE voting showed that the age that people are becoming 'less socialist' is dropping dramatically, incredibly from 47 to 39 reported in this analysis:
https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2019/12/...e-likely-to-vote-tory-than-labour-is-getting/
and that supports your view that
3.".....many of us aren’t fully entrenched in one camp and we have a mix of left and right wing views. In short, win the centre ground and you win the election." - and the issue for the Labour Party in 2019 and for many years to come I fear - is that it is now under the control of a group that exult in their purism - and this will ensure(d) that they have offered and will continue to offer what will be seen as an unattractive extreme to those of the centre.
As, what I consider to be a traditional Labour Party voter, I worry that the LP will not return to an electable position
Probably been said before but Jeremy Dustbin should have quit the moment he lost. Until he and those with the same quite fantastical ideals are driven out from the Labour party (currently more like a Monty Python skit on the communist party coupled with the spanish iquisition), they are just not electable.
The so called 'Manifesto' grew and got more unbelievable daily during election campaigning.
Remind me to tell the labour canvassers at the next election in 2024 that everyone needs a personal real live unicorn and that there needs to be a commitment to provide a magic money tree on every street corner. Oh wait - they practically did that this time and nobody believed them!
Finished unless they go for a Centreist, who can actually relate to and appeal to the electorate.
Probably been said before but Jeremy Dustbin should have quit the moment he lost. Until he and those with the same quite fantastical ideals are driven out from the Labour party (currently more like a Monty Python skit on the communist party coupled with the spanish iquisition), they are just not electable.
The so called 'Manifesto' grew and got more unbelievable daily during election campaigning.
Remind me to tell the labour canvassers at the next election in 2024 that everyone needs a personal real live unicorn and that there needs to be a commitment to provide a magic money tree on every street corner. Oh wait - they practically did that this time and nobody believed them!
Finished unless they go for a Centreist, who can actually relate to and appeal to the electorate.
Agreed. Superb qualities from a Tories' perspective. Add in whiney and sour-faced. She's ideal.Rebecca Wrong-Daily throwing her hat in the ring to be next leader.
She’s an excellent choice in my view but there again I’m a long term Conservative voter. Her main qualities are that she is even thicker than Corbyn and she believes that the policies in their recent manifesto are wildly popular.