Var debate 2019/20

[Mike Cledford]

the only explanation I can think of is that the linesman didn't see it come off THB so didn't flag. Mason disallowed it and if I'm being honest it looked offside to me at the match. VAR then overruled Mason and he was utterly pissed off!

I forget who the var was but he was not as senior as Mason and it must piss many refs off.
Its daft that you have a little fat little middle aged man waddling round a pitch of athletes and s younger man sitting and watching a screen

 

[ancoats]

forget WW3 ? its VAR everybody is talking about again
football is the only game video technology does not work because of the rules are not black and white and played by the book on match days by the officials, the game is controlled by the referee because he is on the pitch and part of the game and you can not take him out of the picture, somebody in a studio watching on a screen can not be judge like on FIFA 20

yes it can work VAR with football but it needs to hands on by fans at the ground, show the game and any VAR's on the big screens pump the sound and listen to what going on or is there something to hide ?? maybe the match officials live will be to much but the fans need to know what the VAR call is for and the out come. its a simple fix that would make it better

 

[Blue Mist]

I went to the match with a Port Vale fan who I know. After the match, which was the first VAR match he had seen live I asked him what he thought of it, he simply replied 'I'm glad we don't have it' I think he included a few f words in the reply as well.
For my part I did not celebrate the 4th goal, I didn't stand up, shout or even clap, I really couldn't have been be arsed. The whole farce is draining any enjoyment I get out of the game.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Let’s say Blackburn lose one nil at home to say spurs through a goal that shouldn’t have been allowed. They miss out on a money spinning replay and spurs don’t have the extra game to play. Had it have been at spurs game would need a replay etc. Different rules for different games in the same competition can’t be right.

I completely agree as something similar happened last season - Everton were knocked out away to Millwall as a result of an offside goal. The day after, S****horpe were awarded a penalty away to Chelsea but then VAR came along to overturn the penalty

Flip it round and Everton could have gone through and Chelsea would likely be 1-0 down away to S****horpe - it’s not right

 

[hammocity]

Yesterday was the least enjoyable match I’ve ever been to - and as a match going fan for 40 odd years that’s saying something. I’ve only been to none VAR cup games this year - for some reason I thought this was exempt as well- and yesterday proved my decision correct. I sort of celebrated the 4th goal, but apart from that nothing. And nearly everyone around me was the same. I’ve not been able to stop myself watching on tv - a 40 year love/habit isn’t easy to give up - and it infuriates me watching this farce on tv. But at the ground it’s just awful. People who say “well if it’s offside it’s offside” to me either don’t get the reason of watching football or are young/newer to it (which is all fine by the way and good luck to you) but for me it’s dead. I’m not sure even improving it will help either. The WHOLE point of watching football is to celebrate a goal. The ball hits the net, you glance at the linesman and boom. Instant. I’d much much much rather a city goal be disallowed wrongly by a human decision that this utter shit. I’d honestly rather city be shit again if it meant getting rid of this thing. I came away from the ground actually feeling quite upset that my passion in life and a massive part of my life had been taken away by some dick heads making decisions that didn’t need making. Bring it in for diving or penalties ok fine. But armpits and toenails is just ridiculous. The offside rule was invented to stop goalhanging. Plus the technology isn’t accurate so those banging on about if he’s off he’s off are wrong. Things are being given offside that aren’t offside as a result of the camera angles not being right and then just guessing which frame they are going to use for when the ball was kicked - probably chosen depending on who the VAR ref supports. It’s much easier for a faceless person in a box to influence a match than a live in the flesh person in front of 50odd thousand people. A poster earlier on said he/she thought it was applied well yesterday. WHAT???? Must have been watching a different game to the one me and the few thousand people around me were watching. So that’s me done for the time being. Very sad. I don’t think I’ll even talk about it anymore. My mates, wife and family must be sick of me talking about it. People on here must be sick of me banging on about it ha ha. It’s just very sad and I’m loosing something that has helped my mental health and has gained me lots of friends over the years. Fuck knows what I’ll do. I’ve got to go to the United semi coz I promised my boys, but after that I’ll have to play more golf of even speak to the missus. Oh god lol

That’s a very sad post, not your point of view, just from the perspective that you illuminate so well how a lot of people are feeling and how VAR is killing the game.

 

[hammocity]

I completely agree as something similar happened last season - Everton were knocked out away to Millwall as a result of an offside goal. The day after, S****horpe were awarded a penalty away to Chelsea but then VAR came along to overturn the penalty

Flip it round and Everton could have gone through and Chelsea would likely be 1-0 down away to S****horpe - it’s not right

I completely agree as something similar happened last season - Everton were knocked out away to Millwall as a result of an offside goal. The day after, S****horpe were awarded a penalty away to Chelsea but then VAR came along to overturn the penalty

Flip it round and Everton could have gone through and Chelsea would likely be 1-0 down away to S****horpe - it’s not right

Bunch of S****horpe’s.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Bunch of S****horpe’s.

I’ve just noticed that.

 

[ballinio]

Yesterday was the least enjoyable match I’ve ever been to - and as a match going fan for 40 odd years that’s saying something. I’ve only been to none VAR cup games this year - for some reason I thought this was exempt as well- and yesterday proved my decision correct. I sort of celebrated the 4th goal, but apart from that nothing. And nearly everyone around me was the same. I’ve not been able to stop myself watching on tv - a 40 year love/habit isn’t easy to give up - and it infuriates me watching this farce on tv. But at the ground it’s just awful. People who say “well if it’s offside it’s offside” to me either don’t get the reason of watching football or are young/newer to it (which is all fine by the way and good luck to you) but for me it’s dead. I’m not sure even improving it will help either. The WHOLE point of watching football is to celebrate a goal. The ball hits the net, you glance at the linesman and boom. Instant. I’d much much much rather a city goal be disallowed wrongly by a human decision that this utter shit. I’d honestly rather city be shit again if it meant getting rid of this thing. I came away from the ground actually feeling quite upset that my passion in life and a massive part of my life had been taken away by some dick heads making decisions that didn’t need making. Bring it in for diving or penalties ok fine. But armpits and toenails is just ridiculous. The offside rule was invented to stop goalhanging. Plus the technology isn’t accurate so those banging on about if he’s off he’s off are wrong. Things are being given offside that aren’t offside as a result of the camera angles not being right and then just guessing which frame they are going to use for when the ball was kicked - probably chosen depending on who the VAR ref supports. It’s much easier for a faceless person in a box to influence a match than a live in the flesh person in front of 50odd thousand people. A poster earlier on said he/she thought it was applied well yesterday. WHAT???? Must have been watching a different game to the one me and the few thousand people around me were watching. So that’s me done for the time being. Very sad. I don’t think I’ll even talk about it anymore. My mates, wife and family must be sick of me talking about it. People on here must be sick of me banging on about it ha ha. It’s just very sad and I’m loosing something that has helped my mental health and has gained me lots of friends over the years. Fuck knows what I’ll do. I’ve got to go to the United semi coz I promised my boys, but after that I’ll have to play more golf of even speak to the missus. Oh god lol

Exactly how I feel wattle , it’s sad , i’m Gutted & even my Mrs who isn’t in to football wants var gone because she knows that my footballing life is gone . I noticed a few commentators referring to the lack of celebrating a goal from the players y’day saying it was out of respect for lower league teams ....wrong , get used to it because that unadulterated joy of scoring a goal when the players for a split second become one with the fans is ended forever in the so- called name of accuracy. I’m finished with the game .

 

[SWP's back]

Blame Alanis Morissette, she had no fucking clue what it meant

Which, funnily enough, was ironic.

 

[SWP's back]

I forget who the var was but he was not as senior as Mason and it must piss many refs off.
Its daft that you have a little fat little middle aged man waddling round a pitch of athletes and s younger man sitting and watching a screen

It was Mike Dean. The most senior ref in the English game.

 

[BlueHammer85]

No system is gonna be perfect, ever. VAR has a chance to improve but could take years.
Happy to see it scraped if that’s what fans want, but I do feel aggrieved at the thought we will go back to witnessing teams scoring miles offsides and players diving with no contact to win penalty’s and all the other decisions the ref will miss as the speed of the game and level of cheating by players is to quick nowadays.
Scrapping it seems defeatist to me but I get i’m in the minority - one thing I’m sure off , that first Harry Kane/Salah dive with the ref pointing to the spot will not go down well knowing a ref could have had some help to get the correct outcome.

 

[Blue Mist]

No system is gonna be perfect, ever. VAR has a chance to improve but could take years.
Happy to see it scraped if that’s what fans want, but I do feel aggrieved at the thought we will go back to witnessing teams scoring miles offsides and players diving with no contact to win penalty’s and all the other decisions the ref will miss as the speed of the game and level of cheating by players is to quick nowadays.
Scrapping it seems defeatist to me but I get i’m in the minority - one thing I’m sure off , that first Harry Kane/Salah dive with the ref pointing to the spot will not go down well knowing a ref could have had some help to get the correct outcome.

I fully understand what you are saying but unless my club start allowing me to bring my armchair, brew and dog (I need something to kick) to a match I my not be going much longer.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Let’s say Blackburn lose one nil at home to say spurs through a goal that shouldn’t have been allowed. They miss out on a money spinning replay and spurs don’t have the extra game to play. Had it have been at spurs game would need a replay etc. Different rules for different games in the same competition can’t be right.

City benefitted from Swansea not having VAR in the Cup last year. It was unfortunate for Swansea, but it wasn't loaded one way.

It was fair for the two matches that day because it could easily have been Swansea benefitting. Same with your example.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Is there even a debate anymore?

 

[kaz7]

With the linesman flagging,half of them are flagging at the wrong time

Only flag if there is CLEAR daylight between the players,if there isn't leave it for var

Not difficult really is it

 

[kaz7]

No system is gonna be perfect, ever. VAR has a chance to improve but could take years.
Happy to see it scraped if that’s what fans want, but I do feel aggrieved at the thought we will go back to witnessing teams scoring miles offsides and players diving with no contact to win penalty’s and all the other decisions the ref will miss as the speed of the game and level of cheating by players is to quick nowadays.
Scrapping it seems defeatist to me but I get i’m in the minority - one thing I’m sure off , that first Harry Kane/Salah dive with the ref pointing to the spot will not go down well knowing a ref could have had some help to get the correct outcome.

Why do you keep banging on about dives,there is so much more to it than that

 

[Mike Cledford]

It was Mike Dean. The most senior ref in the English game.

Oh. Thanks. I missed that it must have been the asst var whose name l saw. But l think my general point still applies and in Deans case senior does not mean the nest by a long chalk

 

[BlueHammer85]

Why do you keep banging on about dives,there is so much more to it than that

I think last season without VAR it was the biggest talking point, personally I hate my team being robbed by a player ‘clearly’ diving for a penalty, with VAR that won’t happen. That’s why I bang on about it.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

I think last season without VAR it was the biggest talking point, personally I hate my team being robbed by a player ‘clearly’ diving for a penalty, with VAR that won’t happen. That’s why I bang on about it.

So Mane didn't "dive" against Leicester or Spurs? And Rushforward didn't dive against Spurs? SOME players are still diving when they feel "contact" (ie - THEY STILL CHEAT) and SOME are still are being awarded penalties, even WITH VAR. VAR hasn't stopped them from cheating, nor has it stopped the refs from giving dodgy decisions whenever they want, all VAR has achieved is to make it even more obvious that they favour certain teams and has given the cheats another tool with which to cheat with, the situation we have now is even more frustrating than it was before.

 

[BlueHammer85]

So Mane didn't "dive" against Leicester or Spurs? And Rushforward didn't dive against Spurs? SOME players are still diving when they feel "contact" (ie - THEY STILL CHEAT) and SOME are still are being awarded penalties, even WITH VAR. VAR hasn't stopped them from cheating, nor has it stopped the refs from giving dodgy decisions whenever they want, all VAR has achieved is to make it even more obvious that they favour certain teams and has given the cheats another tool with which to cheat with, the situation we have now is even more frustrating than it was before.

I think it’s still happening but surely has reduced massively - I recall Salah winning loads of pens by diving last season - I don’t think he’s had one this season.
Players were going down with zero contact in previous seasons and still getting penaltys - that is a joke and something had to give.