Var debate 2019/20

[Blue Mooner]

The whole point of bringing new technology into the game was to make more decisions correct, be that goal line technology or VAR.

In fact in the CL last year, any time delay for VAR and pitchside monitor review was supported on that basis, eg yes , it's taking time,

this will improve as its introduction continues, however, we are making more decisions correct, so less games are being decided by

an incorrect call. The PL version on offside, in or outside of the box, ball striking an attackers hand leadng to a goal [albeit using the

PL interpretation of the IFAB Law] are all using videotechnology to determine the correct decision. However, on penalties, they have

decided to not to use the technology to come to the correct decision. The PL have set a different parameter, that gives a farcical

situation whereby VAR using all the technology at hand will merely, if onfield ref gives the penalty, they will review and agree a penalty,

or if ref doesnt award the penalty, they will also agree, eg it's not a penalty. So same VAR review will give x2 different decisions based on

same video analysis. So is VAR all about getting decision correct or isnt it? Exactly the same, with goalkeeper encroachment on penalties.

No Var review, it's all down to onfield officials to get it correct without using the technology that's there and used for encroachment for any

outfield player using VAR review. They are happy to reinforce the Sterling West Ham and Laporte Spurs incidents stating we came to correct

decision, as VAR technology was used and evidence proved it was correct decision, [again using PL interpretations]. However, they refuse

to use same technology & argument to substantiate whether correct decision is made for any goalkeeper encroachment on a penalty kick.

But it isnt going to change until next season, if then. So after first few round of games we will get used to it. However, will come to a head when

a cup final, relegation or title or CL place is won or denied later in the year when a last minute penalty is awarded or denied, when video replay

shows and all pundits disagree with VAR review, eg VAR official merely siding with onfield referee decision whether correct or an incorrect one.

It will change once they have managed to help Liverpool win the league. If Mo Salah's slight shirt pull is a penalty but Rodri"s isn't there is something corrupt at the heart of football.

I will change that view when and if I see the rags or Liverpool lose points on the basis of an unseen unknown VAR call two minutes after their whole support have been celebrating a goal and that robs them of points with no comeback. Not a non awarded penalty decision after you've already been awarded one in the same game and two in the previous two.

The spurs non penalty was a disgrace as well but then the rags have to compete with that lot for a champs league space...

We were sold VAR on the basis that it would be eliminating referee human error as far as possible, giving a second chance to review game changing decisions and yet they have somehow managed to create MORE contention than before its introduction.

Only a corrupt organisation could create such a sh*t show out of something that should be so straightforward to implement.

 

[flook]

This is what I was trying to quote live in real time. They’re absolutely correct.

Andy Gray in talking sense shocker, he's bang on tbf

 

[Blue Coop]

The rules are too unclear for VAR. The fact that we can watch a replay of something 5/6 times and not know if VAR is going to rule it a penalty or not is just bizarre. Look at the Kane incident yesterday, pundits and viewers must have thought penalty when that went to review but no penalty decided. It’s all a big grey area and there will be inconsistencies, and that’s what will undo what should be a good addition to the game.

 

[give it to gordon]

If the ref says he didn't miss the contact he just thought it was minimal then it won't get overturned.
If he said there was no contact it would have been given as a pen

Well that is just plain daft !! Both pens the contact wasnt minimal ! So for VAR to be used the match ref has to admit that he missed something, cant see many refs admitting to their bosses that they missed something.

So going by that the ref thought both arms around his neck and being pulled to the ground was minimal contact. And the stamp on Silvas foot was only a small stamp. Perhaps both those refs should be removed to ref sunday league matches...

 

[SWP's back]

If Mo Salah's slight shirt pull is a penalty but Rodri"s isn't there is something corrupt at the heart of football.

That’s down to the refs on field.

 

[waspish]

Should make referees act out the blatant pens they dont give in games so marrinor should get his foot stamped on when going through to have a shot then he might understand why players go down!

 

[swinton blue]

Regarding var now with penalties they have set the bar
For me if the on field decision is no penalty then under no circumstance can they look at it and overturn the decision based on what I've seen in sundays game
As soon as one decision is overturned there will be uproar and serious calls from clubs for var to be scrapped

 

[ballinio]

Regarding var now with penalties they have set the bar
For me if the on field decision is no penalty then under no circumstance can they look at it and overturn the decision based on what I've seen in sundays game
As soon as one decision is overturned there will be uproar and serious calls from clubs for var to be scrapped

Hopefully

 

[SWP's back]

Regarding var now with penalties they have set the bar
For me if the on field decision is no penalty then under no circumstance can they look at it and overturn the decision based on what I've seen in sundays game
As soon as one decision is overturned there will be uproar and serious calls from clubs for var to be scrapped

To be fair, they haven’t overturned any of 32 reviews for penalties (both ones that were given or not given) I’ve read this morning.

There’s literally no point in reviewing them at present.

 

[waspish]

To be fair, they haven’t overturned any of 32 reviews for penalties (both ones that were given or not given) I’ve read this morning.

There’s literally no point in reviewing them at present.

So no change refs can still make wrong decisions even with var and not be challenged!