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BlueHammer85 said:
In years to come , when people start to ask ..’so what changes has Brexit actually made ?’

they can always say ‘well, we rang some church bells on Brexit day’
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" so it was just like any Sunday Granddad?

Yeah chuck

So why can't I just move to work in Spain without any restrictions like my uncle did in 2015?

Ahh - well - the year later we secured our freedom from the tyranny of the EU and set you free my dear "
 
yet more fake fucking news - I am going to enjoy the next few years as Brexiteers defend how " freedom" has justified economic losses. ( spoiler alert - most who advocated "freedom" will not suffer losses anything like the general populace that they persuaded will suffer. The Project Fear campaign will largely become the truth because despite how people have become sick of them experts are called experts for a reason.

https://markets.businessinsider.com...s-johnson-uk-economic-study-2020-1-1028809389
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Brexit passed last year .... only this time the Tories have removed workers rights




and the rights of British young people to take advantage of educational opportunities abroad



and the rights of unaccompanied child refugees to be reunited with their families

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I know what you are thinking...………...

Fucking Labour - if only they had voted for May's deal - that Corbyn, what a self-serving bastard
 
Vic said:
Our system of democracy has given us a Brexit that most people in Britain never wanted or asked for. Just saying.
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I know what you are thinking...………...

Fucking Labour - if only they had voted for May's deal - that Corbyn, what a self-serving bastard
 
bluethrunthru said:
yet more fake fucking news - I am going to enjoy the next few years as Brexiteers defend how " freedom" has justified economic losses. ( spoiler alert - most who advocated "freedom" will not suffer losses anything like the general populace that they persuaded will suffer. The Project Fear campaign will largely become the truth because despite how people have become sick of them experts are called experts for a reason.

https://markets.businessinsider.com...s-johnson-uk-economic-study-2020-1-1028809389
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Pleased to hear it - you seem to be a proper miserable at the moment.

We Leave supporters are a positive and happy bunch - perhaps try joining us
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Barnier is not wrong though. Aside from trade, we have all of the ‘internal wiring’ that needs to be ‘rewired’ Prior to 31/12. You would have hoped that there are solutions in place for some aspects already as part of the no deal planning that has already taken place but the work to unpick decades of infrastructure is going to be substantial. It is interesting to see some of the posturing already around our favourite subject fishing! Who was it on the U.K. side that suggested that trade agreement could be carried out seperately from access agreement. That’s interesting in a scenario where we import what we eat and export what we catch. The U.K. side will persist with that and see how far they can get before they need to use access as a bargaining chip. The EU will want it introduced from the first day of negotiation.
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If there is a successful outcome to the negotiations I would expect there to be a number of agreements fleshed out over years following the 'initial agreement' that establishes a 'framework'.

For me the key is to this time not get railroaded on the sequencing - I was just shocked at how docile May / Robbins were in this regard.

This article touches on my concerns and I will look to see how the sequencing is agreed as this will evidence the quality of our negotiating team and also identify the risk/opportunity of a No-Deal outcome.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/brexit-enters-its-meghan-and-harry-phase-1.1371909

An extract from that article:

"Even if both sides want very much to conclude a deal, their starting positions are far apart. Von der Leyen and her chief negotiator Michel Barnier made clear this week that there’s a trade-off between market access and divergence from EU rules and standards. That, indeed, is the EU’s overarching objective. The more freedom Britain has to diverge, the more Brussels will worry about a competitor on its doorstep that will use laxer regulatory standards and lower taxes to attract talent and investment. Even if the feared Singapore-on-Thames is overblown, Britain is now seen as a fierce competitor.

That makes the question of sequencing in the talks paramount. The EU won the first phase of the negotiations (for the withdrawal agreement) by insisting that the divorce terms — especially the Irish border question — were resolved before trade talks started. Britain gave away its best cards too early.

Johnson doesn’t want to repeat that mistake...…………………….."
 
KS55 said:
The answer is in your post. You are not "right". There is no right or wrong here, but you seem to think there is.
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Are you in denial that some things are right and some wrong? Have we done Brexit without knowing whether it's right?
 
blueinsa said:
Shriver doesnt speak for me, you are anyone else for that matter.

She speaks only for herself and she is no more important than anyone else in this country.

You like her view because she does what you have always done and that is try to make out the other side as some group of losers who have nothing other than a win in brexit.

Its utter bullshit Vic.
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She's more important than you or me. I don't recall your broadcast.

I don't even know who you think she thinks is "the other side" to her view. But then your sentence is incomprehensible.
 
Blue Hefner said:


Seems like a fair comparison
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I look forward to patriots dangling upside down from bell ropes 20 feet in the air.

Seriously, who do they think "the powers that be" are? Some 80 year old woman churchwarden fighting off an idiot who demands to ring the church bell? Thick doesn't come near it.
 
Vic said:
She's more important than you or me. I don't recall your broadcast.

I don't even know who you think she thinks is "the other side" to her view. But then your sentence is incomprehensible.
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No she really isn't Vic.
 
bluethrunthru said:
yet more fake fucking news - I am going to enjoy the next few years as Brexiteers defend how " freedom" has justified economic losses. ( spoiler alert - most who advocated "freedom" will not suffer losses anything like the general populace that they persuaded will suffer. The Project Fear campaign will largely become the truth because despite how people have become sick of them experts are called experts for a reason.

https://markets.businessinsider.com...s-johnson-uk-economic-study-2020-1-1028809389
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2016 wants its hysterical post back.
 
Vic said:
Are you in denial that some things are right and some wrong? Have we done Brexit without knowing whether it's right?
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Right and wrong are just opinions. Whether the result is good or bad rests on outcomes which we can only guess at now (or at least try to calculate). It makes more sense to treat Brexit as a fait accomplit and suggest ways to maximise the benefits and minimise the downside rather than, as you did, agonise about the quality of sovereignty. I spent three years working in Europe on the banking directives and my experience was that our EU partners were focussed on 'the big project' (ie united europe). Since we have exited from that, our best course is to focus on the practical, rather than the philosophical.
 
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