Keir Starmer

[urban genie]

Bud, momentum is a cancer.

That may be so, as was/is progress on the other wing.

However you said they are at every level controling the party, I asked how you know this as bar the press saying it and jon lansam in the NEC where have you experienced this?

 

[mexico1970]

That may be so, as was/is progress on the other wing.

However you said they are at every level controling the party, I asked how you know this as bar the press saying it and jon lansam in the NEC where have you experienced this?

I said they are pulling the strings and they are, they are grass root conspirators and Labour need to extract them if they are to have any chance of escaping the political drop.

 

[Ban-jani]

I do, I wanted to emphasise the point.

Fair enough.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

Like most people on either side of the political debate I can't stand Blair but he has written an interesting piece for The Guardian..

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...not-make-itself-feel-better-its-about-winning

 

[Ban-jani]

Like most people on either side of the political debate I can't stand Blair but he has written an interesting piece for The Guardian..

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...not-make-itself-feel-better-its-about-winning

He’s absolutely bang on here-

Fifth, patriotism matters, but I’m afraid we don’t get to define its basics. These are: pride in our country; support for the armed forces; being strong on law and order. The progressive view of patriotism will never be the same as the conservative one. We will add an emphasis on values of tolerance, equality and a commitment to social justice. But the basics can’t be absent.

Whether people like it or not the “red wall” is and always will be patriotic and Corbyn is seen as a threat.

I’m not necessarily saying it’s my view but it is THE view of people in these communities.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I said they are pulling the strings and they are, they are grass root conspirators and Labour need to extract them if they are to have any chance of escaping the political drop.

As Kinnock did with Militant Tendency.
Mind you, they still got twatted anyway.

 

[CityStu]

It gets boring being right all the time.....

And coming up on the rails.

What is it like to be right all the time?

 

[The perfect fumble]

What is it like to be right all the time?

Of course I was right, the fact he didn't make the cut is of no consequence, he stood no chance anyway. Lewis is still one to watch.

For now this is a two horse race, and it was always going to be thus.

I reckon it'll be whatsit with the double barrelled name, Sir Keir of Stammer is too boring and there's a whiff of New Labour about him.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Maybe you can explain why these policies always poll so well amongst all voters? I am not saying that people like socialism per say but they like some socialist policies its a fact that you can't get away from.

The problem the Labour party had was that people DO like some of the policies but this GE wasn't about policies but about Brexit. But even if it was just about policies, Labour simply offered far too many of them. Fund the NHS properly and renationalise the railways (showing how this could be done without significant expenditure) should have been the two major policies they offered. These affect many people, including Tory voters. But they offered far too many and even so-called "traditional" Labour voters saw the party as a bunch of London-centric, metropolitan, sixth-form socialists who simply weren't grounded in any sort of day-to-day reality.

One of the reasons that the Leave vote won the Brexit referendum was that their message was a simple one that resonated with ordinary people whereas Stronger In failed ot get hte message across that there were significant advantages to remaining in the EU and got wrapped up in all sorts of arguments that simply didn't register with the day-to-day concerns of people outside Westminster.

 

[blueinsa]

It gets boring being right all the time.....

And coming up on the rails.

Is Clive laughing at you there mate?

 

[blueinsa]

Of course I was right, the fact he didn't make the cut is of no consequence, he stood no chance anyway. Lewis is still one to watch.

For now this is a two horse race, and it was always going to be thus.

I reckon it'll be whatsit with the double barrelled name, Sir Keir of Stammer is too boring and there's a whiff of New Labour about him.

Sir Kier of Starmer the millionaire landlord hasn't got a prayer once the membership have been bussed to the booth by their masters.

Wrong-Daily it is and its a toss up between Rayner and Burgon who gets to be the sidekick.

 

[domalino]

Sir Kier of Starmer the millionaire landlord hasn't got a prayer once the membership have been bussed to the booth by their masters.

Wrong-Daily it is and its a toss up between Rayner and Burgon who gets to be the sidekick.

Is being a millionaire or a landlord bad?

 

[blueinsa]

Is being a millionaire or a landlord bad?

Not to normal folk but the momentum lot and comrades that fill a large part of the membership they are public enemy number 1.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

It will be called renaissance. Might get in trouble for that but keep an eye out for it! Multi million pound movement. They want to rebuild the red wall and be some way between Blair and Corbyn. Closer to Blair I would add.

It's like the fucking Apprentice. "Karen, how did Momentum do?" "Well Alan, they pissed off 27,470,000 voters and most of the Jewish community." "Claude, what about Renaissance?" "Well Alan, they pissed off Len McCluskey so that's only 15,380,000 voters".

"Well done Renaissance. As a treat, I've arranged for you to go on a bombing mission to Afghanistan. Momentum, you go and work out what went wrong and who was responsible and we'll make them party leader".

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I can't see any of these people winning a GE for the simple reason that they are all far too associated with the last failed attempt. Also did any of them vote for Johnson's Brexit deal? Still not cottoned on to that little issue either then? still a student protest movement.

 

[domalino]

Not to normal folk but the momentum lot and comrades that fill a large part of the membership they are public enemy number 1.

He's from a working class family who named him after an out and out socialist, went to university late because he was working in a factory, made himself into one of the pre-eminent human rights lawyers in the country, taking on McDonalds and leading enquiries into getting rape and child abuse victims more protection.

If they're really going to cast him out because he made some money and bought his sister a house then they deserve what they get really.

The main problem as I see it is his remain stance.

 

[blueinsa]

He's from a working class family who named him after an out and out socialist, went to university late because he was working in a factory, made himself into one of the pre-eminent human rights lawyers in the country, taking on McDonalds and leading enquiries into getting rape and child abuse victims more protection.

If they're really going to cast him out because he made some money and bought his sister a house then they deserve what they get really.

The main problem as I see it is his remain stance.

For me its his remain stance, for those i have mentioned its more likely they see him as a bit of a Tory.

 

[domalino]

For me its his remain stance, for those i have mentioned its more likely they see him as a bit of a Tory.

What's he done to be thought of as a tory except do well for himself and get knighted?

 

[blueinsa]

What's he done to be thought of as a tory except do well for himself and get knighted?

Ask this lot.

 

[joe123]

He's from a working class family who named him after an out and out socialist, went to university late because he was working in a factory, made himself into one of the pre-eminent human rights lawyers in the country, taking on McDonalds and leading enquiries into getting rape and child abuse victims more protection.

If they're really going to cast him out because he made some money and bought his sister a house then they deserve what they get really.

The main problem as I see it is his remain stance.

Agree, but he has come out and said remain vs leave is over. Also, 5 years is a long time for the government or opposition to shine/fuck up. Got a lot of work to do to distance the party from Corbyn, but he's got the time to do it. Whether the party membership give him the chance remains to be seen.