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Vic said:
The Spectator's Choice.

The man who unlawfully shut down Parliament is Parliamentarian of the year.

In other awards Minister to Watch is Michael Gove (in case he stabs you in the back). If we don't extend transition maybe he'll suddenly remember again:

"We didn’t vote to leave without a deal. That wasn’t the message of the campaign I helped lead. During that campaign, we said we should do a deal with the EU and be part of the network of free trade deals that covers all Europe, from Iceland to Turkey."
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I thought everyone in Turkey was getting ready to come to the UK (Well according to the Leave EU campaign they were)
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
I didnt mean Trump..... I meant any future American President ...
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All Presidents in the US are elected.

They have these things called elections and they hold them every four years. It's usually how they determine which personality leads the nation.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
We were running fuck all. If the EU were a little more honest I'd actually be in favour of it.
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I think you'd find if you actually looked into it that we had significant influence in every area of EU policy and it worked very well for us. Now we have none and will have to do as we're told if we want to carry on as we were like we both think will happen.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
We were running fuck all. If the EU were a little more honest I'd actually be in favour of it.
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"But we had a say!" I always love that line. :)

If anyone can show me which policies the UK were against that the EU listened to and agreed should be halted, i'm all ears.
 
west didsblue said:
I think you'd find if you actually looked into it that we had significant influence in every area of EU policy and it worked very well for us. Now we have none and will have to do as we're told if we want to carry on as we were like we both think will happen.
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Trading bloc - yes please.
Federal state - no thank you.
If we can't have one without the other, the that says it all really and regretfully we may have to settle for neither. That's it for me and I suspect many others. Jobs, immigration, money on the side of a bus, and the rest of the hysteria are just distractions from that basic issue. I suppose we could argue about this all day, but there is now no point as it is already settled and we are out on Friday. About time.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Trading bloc - yes please.
Federal state - no thank you.
If we can't have one without the other, the that says it all really and regretfully we may have to settle for neither. That's it for me and I suspect many others. Jobs, immigration, money on the side of a bus, and the rest of the hysteria are just distractions from that basic issue. I suppose we could argue about this all day, but there is now no point as it is already settled and we are out on Friday. About time.
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It's just your opinion that we would have been part of federal state. As it stands and if the government are lying like we both think they are, we will simply end up being a rule taker from that entity whatever it ends up being. If you're happy with that, fine, but there's no need to pretend that we'll have some new found independence and sovereignty.
 
I find it impossible to believe that anyone would argue the EU wasn't on the road to being a united superstate when it has its own parliament, anthem, defence policies etc etc.

Its a trading bloc!

Had it focused on that my guess is remain would have wont by an absolute landslide if we had even demanded we be asked yet it couldn't, it had to go along with the dreams of the federalist ruling elite that controls its halls of power.
 
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