Another new Brexit thread

[mcfc1632]

Was this in 2016? I think things have sort of moved on tbh.

'Things' might have moved on since 2016 - some individuals not so much

 

[journolud]

we have a new 50p as well

What’s it worth?

 

[journolud]

We should join a Europe wide trade bloc that eliminates trade barriers and creates a single market allowing countries within that bloc to sell goods and services across borders as if they didn’t exist. We should also create a common currency to eliminate unnecessary currency exchanges and transactions and also allow people to move and work freely within that market.

Just a thought.

Now you’re being silly

 

[dave_blue12]

This is an interesting look back on the UK in the EU, albeit from a strongly Remain stance, in the Sunday Guardian AKA The Observer...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/26/farewell-europe-the-long-road-to-brexit

Thanks for posting.

 

[mcfc1632]

We shouldn't be leaving the single market and customs union ..... our industries are too closely intertwined for that.

Thought your last sentence was grammatical wizardry ..... giving the impression that the conservatives could 'professionally' manage something. Chapeau sir.

So your first statement confirms what I said in my post:

The only answer that you and others seem to offer is that we should not be leaving the EU.

Your 2nd statement re grammatical wizardry simply confirms that you are unable to accept the basics - we are leaving next week.

It is nothing to do with Conservatives, Labour or any other party - although it just happens to be that the Conservatives are in power at the moment. The point is there is that once you can get yourself past the point of denial and accept that we are indeed Leaving - then of course it is a simple statement of fact that these things simply need to be managed

 

[Metal Biker]

What’s it worth?

59 Euro cents/65 US cents.

 

[hgblue]

We should join a Europe wide trade bloc that eliminates trade barriers and creates a single market allowing countries within that bloc to sell goods and services across borders as if they didn’t exist. We should also create a common currency to eliminate unnecessary currency exchanges and transactions and also allow people to move and work freely within that market.

Just a thought.

First part, yes. Second part, absolutely not. The solution, offer both models to the people, see which version they prefer, then implement that. If you want to remain a sovereign nation with it’s own currency, Parliamentary democracy and control over key policies like immigration so be it. If you want to be part of a United States of Europe so be it. We will get there in the end, just a question of how much damage is done in the meantime.

 

[mcfc1632]

The 10pm till 2am show on here is a real hoot.

Some must have real nightmares every night after the stuff they have written.

Indeed - mind you, as I was catching up all I read was a group of Remainers latching onto a single Leaver and insisting in increasingly 'assertive' language that he had to accept that Brexit is bad etc. etc.

I have just replied to @Ifwecouldjust....... with regard to his prevailing inability to absorb that it is actually happening - we are indeed Leaving - as his every answer, no matter what the challenge, is that we should be Remaining in the EU.

Reading the Friday night horror show - it seems he has plenty of company.

Hopefully, when we have left and various plagues have stubbornly refused to visit the UK - they might at least be able to make a start on their painful journey

 

[BobKowalski]

Now you’re being silly

True :)

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

We should join a Europe wide trade bloc that eliminates trade barriers and creates a single market allowing countries within that bloc to sell goods and services across borders as if they didn’t exist. We should also create a common currency to eliminate unnecessary currency exchanges and transactions and also allow people to move and work freely within that market.

Just a thought.

Margaret Thatcher likes this idea, very much.....

 

[BobKowalski]

Margaret Thatcher likes this idea, very much.....

She did. Apart from the common currency bit. Big fan otherwise.

 

[mcfc1632]

We were running fuck all. If the EU were a little more honest I'd actually be in favour of it.

If its scope 'Remained' that of a trading bloc then so many others would be as well.

I have found it really quite perverse that the main thrust of the arguments of Leavers against the EU is to do with its direction and not about the trading bloc aspects - yet what feels like 100% of the arguments of Remainers to counter the views of Leavers is their doom and gloom with regard to the economic impact of leaving the trading bloc.

So, as it seems that most Remainers desperately need to place the 'blame' for Brexit at someone's door - then it is only logical that it should be the EU.

They have for decades acted in a manner that has alienated the majority of UK citizens sufficiently that the country has seen an increasing rise in scepticism and the plans that they have set out for the decades to come is an inexorable path to full integration - increasing the level of dissatisfaction to the point that Brexit has occurred.

So, instead of bleating on at Leavers with increasing desperation, they should be full on critical of the real cause of the UK Leaving the EU - but they are in the main too loved up. It seems a proper perverse form of collective Stockholm Syndrome.

As an aside - at the individual level - Donald Tusk should shoulder a lot of blame. Thankfully!!! his arrogance in his dealings with the UK during the years leading up to the referendum was I think a deal clincher.

 

[yerwot?]

Indeed - mind you, as I was catching up all I read was a group of Remainers latching onto a single Leaver and insisting in increasingly 'assertive' language that he had to accept that Brexit is bad etc. etc.

I have just replied to @Ifwecouldjust....... with regard to his prevailing inability to absorb that it is actually happening - we are indeed Leaving - as his every answer, no matter what the challenge, is that we should be Remaining in the EU.

Reading the Friday night horror show - it seems he has plenty of company.

Hopefully, when we have left and various plagues have stubbornly refused to visit the UK - they might at least be able to make a start on their painful journey

6 posters missed your piffle, that is all.
Umlaut craves attention so no need to cuddle him, the others just revel in the bantz...
Esad

 

[mcfc1632]

Trading bloc - yes please.
Federal state - no thank you.
If we can't have one without the other, the that says it all really and regretfully we may have to settle for neither. That's it for me and I suspect many others. Jobs, immigration, money on the side of a bus, and the rest of the hysteria are just distractions from that basic issue. I suppose we could argue about this all day, but there is now no point as it is already settled and we are out on Friday. About time.

Yep - echoing what I have just posted - spot on.

I guess it will take the separation to happen before some will be able to consider life without the placebo effect EU membership seems to provide for them

 

[mcfc1632]

I find it impossible to believe that anyone would argue the EU wasn't on the road to being a united superstate when it has its own parliament, anthem, defence policies etc etc.

Its a trading bloc!

Had it focused on that my guess is remain would have wont by an absolute landslide if we had even demanded we be asked yet it couldn't, it had to go along with the dreams of the federalist ruling elite that controls its halls of power.

Again spot on

I am just replying to it to further emphasise the truth of the position of Leavers - if only Remainers could deal with the truth

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

She did. Apart from the common currency bit. Big fan otherwise.

Really? You’ll be telling me she was the one pushing the single market and was integral to the single European act, providing qualified majority voting and not giving any country the power of veto next........

 

[bluethrunthru]

I did not bother to watch but I can glean the content from your post - so a quick question to you......

What do you suggest could be the/a solution? or what actions do you think could/should be taken?

The damage is done - we are too far down the rabbit hole now. Society is split and may never recover.

 

[west didsblue]

I thought most people had moved on from working out why Brexit is happening and were discussing what happens next.

Seems I was wrong and there's still a strong desire from some Brexit supporters to gloat, simplistically apportion blame and make up bollocks about people being in denial.

Boring as fuck.

 

[mcfc1632]

we will end up being dictated to by "partners" from all around the world if we want to trade with them as a single nation. End of. Get used to it.

But even if all the doom and gloom about trading conditions comes to the fruition that some Remainers hope for - the UK will still be better off from having avoided the inexorable path to integration and the inevitable failure of the EU project

Most importantly - we are indeed Leaving - End of. Get used to it.

 

[mcfc1632]

yes, you are, but I was asking you for a policy the UK managed to convince the EU not to adopt. :)

Very good - and quick - nice to have a bit of levity