"Disappointing" attendances

Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Do you work on the board ;)

there is an obsession with financial incentives. How about just filling the ground, getting it packed and attracting thousands more fans who have been priced out.

it’s all about money. Making. Cup tickets really cheap isn’t going to kill the club. We are one of the most profitable well run clubs going.

the long term benefits of cheap tickets for just cup games far outweigh the financial gain of expensive tickets. The way your looking at it, is what the club do and one of the main reasons why many fans are packing it in
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The cup tickets were really cheap. An adult and child buying on general sale in the family stand could get a pair of tickets for £16. It would be £17 for a parent and two kids - not much more than a fiver each overall. If that is not cheap enough to tempt people to go and see one of the world's top football teams play, those people really aren't interested.

Football is big business when you are talking about the top teams and it will remain so.

I'm core support and I do care about the club growing its supporter base. I want the club to earn as much as possible so it can afford the best players and can keep playing attractive football and winning. I fucking hate losing and I endured it for years and years, I don't want to go back to that but City are in my blood so I'm stuck with them regardless - that's my connection to the club and it's unbreakable.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
I don’t think it’s no shows or early leavers that bothers Pep. It’s flat, unsupportive atmospheres which don’t lift the team.
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The thing is our squad is so good now that aside from a total horror show and individual mistakes we now beat any non premier league team, usually comfortably. The game was over as soon as they went down to ten men and we scored the penalty. The team then coasted through the game and as such the crowd was flat. In effect the game was a routine borefest with nothing to excite the crowd.

The atmosphere or lack of it has been done to death in other threads and countless things have been done to try and improve it with little success. We are not alone in this it is the same with most clubs. Pep going on about it and having a pop at our fans, intentionally or not, is not going to help matters in fact judging by the reaction it is having the opposite effect and causing even more disconnect. As a fan base we can still turn up the noise for high profile games that matter but yes on the whole we are quiet. We also have an ageing fanbase many of whom obviously don't retain the same fire, vigour and passion they did in their youth.

Our club and fans get enough shit from the media and every internet "Expert" out there and can do without copping it, unfairly, from people within the club and that includes Pep, as good a manager as he is.
 
Getting away from the game post game is down to crap traffic control by GMP, the dreadful metro queuing system and not having a walk bridge over the Blue car park exit.
Will anything ever be done?
I doubt it, the club doesn't care a jot.
 
half & half derby scarf said:
This definitely needs bringing up @Prestwich_Blue it was the same for the Port Vale match. I'm not sure if they are doing something different at Cup games but it is an absolute shambles. There were nearly fisticuffs on Sunday and i heard one guy saying he'll never come again unless they sort it out. The stewards were getting an inordinate amount of grief.
BTW - i have the answer - They were funneling most of the cars into the first car park on the left and stopping them at the gate which meant nobody could get past as they paid or showed passes etc. If they had a line of cones up to the middle of the car park and check tickets there they could clear it much quicker.
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I'd love to spend pre-match with club officials seeing how they set everything up and manage the event. I'd also love them to experience that event as a fan does. Getting into and out of car parks, getting the tram or a bus.

I'd love Khaldoon al Mubarak, Ferran Soriano and Omar Berrada to try to get on an already-crowded single tram in Piccadilly, stand in City Square when it's cold and pissing down, drinking gassy, tasteless, over-priced beer, try to catch the tram or any other form of transport after the game, having paid for a ticket that cost a day's wages for someone on minimum wage and ask them "Is this the way you'd choose to spend your day if you had a choice of doing this or watching it on TV?"
 
paulchapo said:
The thing is our squad is so good now that aside from a total horror show and individual mistakes we now beat any non premier league team, usually comfortably. The game was over as soon as they went down to ten men and we scored the penalty. The team then coasted through the game and as such the crowd was flat. In effect the game was a routine borefest with nothing to excite the crowd.

The atmosphere or lack of it has been done to death in other threads and countless things have been done to try and improve it with little success. We are not alone in this it is the same with most clubs. Pep going on about it and having a pop at our fans, intentionally or not, is not going to help matters in fact judging by the reaction it is having the opposite effect and causing even more disconnect. As a fan base we can still turn up the noise for high profile games that matter but yes on the whole we are quiet. We also have an ageing fanbase many of whom obviously don't retain the same fire, vigour and passion they did in their youth.

Our club and fans get enough shit from the media and every internet "Expert" out there and can do without copping it, unfairly, from people within the club and that includes Pep, as good a manager as he is.
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i think he was frustrated with the whole occasion being flat and the team playing poorly and his irritation got the better of him.
 
paulchapo said:
The atmosphere or lack of it has been done to death in other threads and countless things have been done to try and improve it with little success. We are not alone in this it is the same with most clubs. Pep going on about it and having a pop at our fans, intentionally or not, is not going to help matters in fact judging by the reaction it is having the opposite effect and causing even more disconnect. As a fan base we can still turn up the noise for high profile games that matter but yes on the whole we are quiet. We also have an ageing fanbase many of whom obviously don't retain the same fire, vigour and passion they did in their youth.
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Speak for yourself. I'm sure @gordondaviesmoustache also disagrees
 
I see Kevin Parker has made a firm defence of the loyalty of our fans in the Mail online. Kevin says Pep is out of touch working class people struggling to pay for a number of games at the same time.(I tried to copy the article but it didn’t work)
 
Didsbury Dave said:
i think he was frustrated with the whole occasion being flat and the team playing poorly and his irritation got the better of him.
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Possibly mate. The thing is it isn't the first time, he said similar after the Brighton semi final which around 30,000 Blues attended in spite of the associated travel problems and expense. We all know the press are scum and try and cause trouble and trip him up at every opportunity. Pep is an intelligent man so he must know this himself by now and both he and the club should be prepared for it.
 
OB1 said:
The cup tickets were really cheap. An adult and child buying on general sale in the family stand could get a pair of tickets for £16. It would be £17 for a parent and two kids - not much more than a fiver each overall. If that is not cheap enough to tempt people to go and see one of the world's top football teams play, those people really aren't interested.

Football is big business when you are talking about the top teams and it will remain so.

I'm core support and I do care about the club growing its supporter base. I want the club to earn as much as possible so it can afford the best players and can keep playing attractive football and winning. I fucking hate losing and I endured it for years and years, I don't want to go back to that but City are in my blood so I'm stuck with them regardless - that's my connection to the club and it's unbreakable.
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Just a thought, but If you've spent £100 on a League Cup Semi ticket and the Real-Madrid game and already spent or put aside double that to get to the games perhaps £17 and the assiciated travel costs are too much?
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I see Kevin Parker has made a firm defence of the loyalty of our fans in the Mail online. Kevin says Pep is out of touch working class people struggling to pay for a number of games at the same time.(I tried to copy the article but it didn’t work)
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It seems bizarre to me that they would say this in one of the papers that they will also claim is part of a media that is biased against us.
 
The biggest disappointment of Peps tenure is that he's failed to have that bond with the fans.

His comments piss me off because it's his pals who set the pricing, it's his mates who increase prices every year and have charged £40 and £60 for games against United and Madrid.

They cant have it both ways. They can't get a full turnout every week with a great atmosphere if you price out the local fanbase.

Parker is spot on with what he says and Pep needs to wind his neck in.
 
Apart from games against the other Top 6 and in the absence of a large away contingent its hard to get atmosphere. In the good old days a huge punch up amongst the players always livened things up,now they are mostly all good mates and then VAR kills any spontaneity.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
i think he was frustrated with the whole occasion being flat and the team playing poorly and his irritation got the better of him.
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It was one of the flattest atmospheres I've experienced and I'd understand that. Part of that was the stadium wasn't anywhere near full, Fulham brought a fraction of the fans Port Vale brought and we know away fans help generate an atmosphere. The game was effectively over within 10 minutes but that's because Fulham were uttlerly woeful. I've never seen a team give the ball up as much as they did. No fight at all and it doesn't help when one team just lies down and rolls over on its back. They appeared to have been the losing team when the draw was made, let alone when they were in the tunnel. And Pep, as much as we love it, has been part of building a team that terrifies most others.

The clubs, as in the PL, have signed away their product for money and allowed it to be intrinsically cheapened. Pep, his players and his employers are all part of that. They've all gone after more and more money without any thought as to the impact on the people who provide that money. We're not allowed to drink, stand, get too exuberant. We're banned if we look at a steward funny.

It's not on us mate.
 
jrb said:
I used to sit in level SSL2. Those areas were full of passionate, noisy, boisterous and singing City fans who relocated from the North stand and Maine Road. It was the same in ESL2, when I used to sit there on a few occasions.

I stand corrected on this point, and if I’m wrong I apologise. Many City fans who had sat in those ESL2 seats since the move from Maine Road were priced out and asked to move to other parts of the stadium to make way for more expensive corporate padded seats and corporate customers before SSL3 was expanded. There was a big fall out between the fans and the club about it.

Anyway.

From the MEN.

Why Pep Guardiola criticism of Man City fans was hopelessly wrong
Manchester City manager was clearly disappointed at the Etihad Stadium attendance - and level of support - against Fulham

The message for Guardiola is clear – stick with producing beautiful football and leave the supporting to the supporters.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ws/man-city-fans-guardiola-criticism-17638836
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HANG ON !! Since when have you started to not only read but believe the MEN ?
Fuck me and some one called me a hypocrite on this very forum tonight. ;)
 
Even though I doubt it, I hope this thread is the wake up call Khaldoon, Soriano and the other Directors running the club need?

This thread isn't just about what Pep said about the fans, it's now about how the club have been and are still treating the fans, and the growing frustration about it amongst the fans.

It's all good and well the club offering an olive branch via City Matters, but until the fans see some real, visible, and lasting changes taking place, then initiatives like City Matters, etc won't matter.
 
paulchapo said:
I don't speak for myself but I see plenty who rarely if ever sing or get vocally involved during a game. It's okay plenty mellow with age, not all obviously and there I will speak for myself. I've been going since 1968 and still sing, shout and back the club at games, but it is a factor.
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I agree mate. Was just being facetious.
 
balotelli's back pocket said:
It seems bizarre to me that they would say this in one of the papers that they will also claim is part of a media that is biased against us.
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I doubt Kevin has approached the Daily Mail. It’s more likely that he’s made a statement sticking up for our fans that the media has licked up on. I’m not sure I agree with the approach but he’s trying to get us more balanced reporting in the media. Something City’s PR operation has failed at.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Well there's an issue there as well. As has been said before, many people with tickets simply don't turn up, some for a significant number of games. We're not unique in that respect by the way. It's not just a City problem. Hence why we're trying to find ways of filling seats and threatening to refuse to renew the season tickets of serial no-shows who don't have a good reason. It's not just a question of selling tickets.
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Perhaps people are just fed up of winning all these cups Colin.
 
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