Liverpool thread 2019/20

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Drubas said:
I think that Klopp's football is more demanding than City's, no doubt. But I think there is more to the youth rotation than that.

One of the very first things that Klopp did at the club, was to get involved with the academy. He set up a system where the first team worked much more closely with the academy, and where all u23 players gets a clear path to the first team. But in order for it to work, there has to be a way for youth players to get first team experience - both training and matches.

It is very similar to what he did for us at Dortmund. I think Klopp sees the domestic cups as a perfect way to give youth players experience.
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Sorry did you say " us at Dortmund " ?

Have you become a dipper fan since Klopp has been manager ?
 
Drubas said:
I think that Klopp's football is more demanding than City's, no doubt. But I think there is more to the youth rotation than that.

One of the very first things that Klopp did at the club, was to get involved with the academy. He set up a system where the first team worked much more closely with the academy, and where all u23 players gets a clear path to the first team. But in order for it to work, there has to be a way for youth players to get first team experience - both training and matches.

It is very similar to what he did for us at Dortmund. I think Klopp sees the domestic cups as a perfect way to give youth players experience.
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Then your U-23's arent very good are they , beaton 0-5 by an Aston Villa team who rested seven players themselves ,and name me one Dipper U-23 player that has featured in the Premier league and where theerfore where this "clear path" is. He's found an excuse to disrespect our cup competitions and he gets away with it , your an arrogant football club who have decided to select the competitions you want to try and win . After 13 years of winning f*ck all if i was a Dipper fan i would be furious , the best LFC team created for 30 years and you dont turn up for domestic cup games, disgraceful.
 
bewildered said:
The cup lineups that you've fielded look a million miles away from the first team... you're getting a free pass in the media for not having enough depth to mount a challenge in all competitions. We'd have been slaughtered in the media if we'd done similar, just like we were a few years ago when we fielded a young team in the FA cup against Chelsea.

Puts into context City's achievement of the clean sweep of domestic titles last year, not that the media have given us any credit for it.
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It really does put into context what a fantastic achievement it was by City last season pity the press/media just ignored it.
IF I was a liverpool fan I would be embarrassed knowing that the first team are on holiday and ignoring the fa cup because the club hasn't got a decent squad just a good 14. Are the other 11 squad members stealing a living as first team players !
 
Dipper mate said no TV feed for the game , not sure if he's right but perhaps Klopp has sorted that as well.
 
Neil francis said:
Dipper mate said no TV feed for the game , not sure if he's right but perhaps Klopp has sorted that as well.
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My son said it's due to a punishment for fielding the kids ...wow ....poor Shrewsbury are getting well and truly screwed over this !!

If true !
 
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give it to gordon said:
It really does put into context what a fantastic achievement it was by City last season pity the press/media just ignored it.
IF I was a liverpool fan I would be embarrassed knowing that the first team are on holiday and ignoring the fa cup because the club hasn't got a decent squad just a good 14. Are the other 11 squad members stealing a living as first team players !
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Introspection isn't their strong suit.
 
Colin Bells Boots said:
Sorry did you say " us at Dortmund " ?

Have you become a dipper fan since Klopp has been manager ?
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More demanding how? The level of skill isn’t as demanding. Switching play quickly with long diagonal balls is allardycesque. He never had your front three though. Bypassing midfield isn’t demanding either.
 
Drubas said:
I'm a fan of both clubs, since I wad a child. Didn't follow Dortmund that closely until Klopp arrived, to be honest.
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How can you give 100% of your time, love, to more than one team. Personally i couldnt even think of supporting two clubs only one club for me always has been always will be CTID
 
jimmygrimblesboots said:
Then your U-23's arent very good are they , beaton 0-5 by an Aston Villa team who rested seven players themselves ,and name me one Dipper U-23 player that has featured in the Premier league and where theerfore where this "clear path" is. He's found an excuse to disrespect our cup competitions and he gets away with it , your an arrogant football club who have decided to select the competitions you want to try and win . After 13 years of winning f*ck all if i was a Dipper fan i would be furious , the best LFC team created for 30 years and you dont turn up for domestic cup games, disgraceful.
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Arnold was moved from midfield to right back, and was prepared to compete with Clyne.

Quite similar to Götze.

Most players won't cut it, but Klopp tends to play youth players as soon as he gets the chance. If they don't cut it, they can be sold for a nice fee (Solanke last season).

He will do the same if the league is won early. He will give minutes to Jones, Elliot, Origi, Shaqiri, Minamino, etc. The invincibles season is not happening, you can bet on it. Klopp wants to build his team, make it stronger.

I'm not defending it in any way. I'm just trying to give me view of how klopp is reasoning.
 
I was talking to a bloke yesterday, old boy, in his eighties, from Scotland but lived in Manchester for last 50 years. We were talking about this and that and he told me he'd been all over the country and all over the world with the army and he said the only people he didn't have time for was Scousers, in his own words he described them as 'cutthroats and degenerates' who were 'always on the rob'.

Made me chuckle.
 
Drubas said:
Arnold was moved from midfield to right back, and was prepared to compete with Clyne.

Quite similar to Götze.

Most players won't cut it, but Klopp tends to play youth players as soon as he gets the chance. If they don't cut it, they can be sold for a nice fee (Solanke last season).

He will do the same if the league is won early. He will give minutes to Jones, Elliot, Origi, Shaqiri, Minamino, etc. The invincibles season is not happening, you can bet on it. Klopp wants to build his team, make it stronger.

I'm not defending it in any way. I'm just trying to give me view of how klopp is reasoning.
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This is hilarious... so what you're telling us is that this is the culmination of some sort of cunning masterplan that's been orchestrated by Klopp as he strokes his white cat.

Not moneyball at all then... nope... all part of the plan...

The lack of self awareness is off the scale.
 
Ballet-on-ice said:
I was talking to a bloke yesterday, old boy, in his eighties, from Scotland but lived in Manchester for last 50 years. We were talking about this and that and he told me he'd been all over the country and all over the world with the army and he said the only people he didn't have time for was Scousers, in his own words he described them as 'cutthroats and degenerates' who were 'always on the rob'.

Made me chuckle.
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My Dad hated the scousers, this was mainly based on his experiences as a hauliers mate in the 1950's as a youth. He used to go to the docks in Liverpool with his driver and the way he used to tell it it was like they were overrun by rats as they loaded/unloaded the lorry. Feral thievery on a massive scale aided and abetted by the dockers themselves who felt they were entitled to take a slice of anything coming through the docks. They have always been different... and always will be...
 
bewildered said:
This is hilarious... so what you're telling us is that this is the culmination of some sort of cunning masterplan that's been orchestrated by Klopp as he strokes his white cat.

Not moneyball at all then... nope... all part of the plan...

The lack of self awareness is off the scale.
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It's part of his general plan, for sure. To use the cups to promote youth and rest his first team. Set things up so that they (at best) can recruit from their own ranks or (most likely) sell the youth players at an inflated price.

This particular situation is not a culmination, it's more of a pretty messy situation. A fair share of liverpool fans think it is disrespectful, and even among those who don't think it's disrespectful there are arguments that it's not smart to throw away the competition when we have quite a few players (Origi, Minamino) that actually need game time (this is my personal view, BTW). Let them play at least.

I'm just trying to give you my view of how Klopp thinks, and why it's not really that surprising he's doing it.
 
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