The Labour Party

[Fame Monster]

How does not going to war against Assad make him an ISIS sympathiser?

(This is not an endorsement of Burgon's views.)

The strikes against Assad were voted down in 2013. This was the vote to extend airstrikes against ISIS from Iraq into Syria although I think the article deliberately confuses the two by not mentioning ISIS once so that Burgon seems less sympathetic to them.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Also insinuating that the Labour Leader/PM wouldn’t support a foreign intervention unless the Labour membership voted for it.

What about your constituents you fucking cult pushing weirdo?

So essentially what he’s saying is “fuck the Kurds and other innocents being murdered by the caliphate, unless Labour members want to help them”.


Horrific person and thankfully nowhere near office.

Which is exactly what Trump did without having any support and even his generals calling him out on it . (Johnsons 'strongly ' worded letter having absolutely no impact whatsoever)

 

[inbetween]

Each and every one is saying the same nonsense about their policies being sound, instead of admitting that
they were simply tired, defunct socialist fairy tales that people saw right through. If they were sound, they would
be in power, instead, they are nodding to the members with each and every announcement, I understand why, it's them
that do the electing bit.
The big problem though, is that the membership, no matter how they trumpet how large it is, has no effect on their chances
of election to power, the Tories only have a relatively small membership, I don't think it's even a quarter of Labour's,
but they are the ones massively outnumbering the opposition in the commons.

To be honest Labour still got a lot of votes and probably did only lose heavily because of Brexit.

The Tories gained a big majority however only gained 300,000 votes compared to 2017.

The biggest indicator for Labour wasn't this election, it was the 2017 one where socialist policy was laid out without Brexit against a vulnerable Tory party and it still didn't win.

 

[Fame Monster]

To be honest Labour still got a lot of votes and probably did only lose heavily because of Brexit.

The Tories gained a big majority however only gained 300,000 votes compared to 2017.

The biggest indicator for Labour wasn't this election, it was the 2017 one where socialist policy was laid out without Brexit against a vulnerable Tory party and it still didn't win.

I thought Labour won by a landslide in 2017. You mean they got beat?

 

[hilts]

I thought Labour won by a landslide in 2017. You mean they got beat?

In fairness to the bluemoon momentum cult they said it felt like a win but was at least a massive step in the right direction that would lead them to victory and socialist nirvana next time. Whoops!

Basically they talk shite a lot. Next time is their time though. Any decade or half century from now it's happening for sure.

 

[mexico1970]

In fairness to the bluemoon momentum cult they said it felt like a win but was at least a massive step in the right direction that would lead them to victory and socialist nirvana next time. Whoops!

Basically they talk shite a lot. Next time is their time though. Any decade or half century from now it's happening for sure.

Labour genuinely used to be a cause for good, a shelter for the working classes and the socially astute. Now they need a rebrand and a back to basics lesson but that's nigh on impossible when it's run by a committee whose only mantra is Tory scum yadda yadda yadda.

 

[hilts]

Labour genuinely used to be a cause for good, a shelter for the working classes and the socially astute. Now they need a rebrand and a back to basics lesson but that's nigh on impossible when it's run by a committee whose only mantra is Tory scum yadda yadda yadda.

If we accept that the last true Labour govt was the 70s and 18 is the voting age, not long from now there will be no one alive who can remember what a socialist government is.

 

[mexico1970]

If we accept that the last true Labour govt was the 70s and 18 is the voting age, not long from now there will be no one alive who can remember what a socialist government is.

So true bud, Labour are defined now by a front bench that thrives on platforms of activism protected by safe seats and by a movement that wants more than just socialism. The sheer weight of press that reminds the Labour party that the working classes feel that they have deserted them is overwhelming, but the deaf ear and blind eye has been turned.

The Labour party died when John Smith passed and shortly after New Labour split the party into opposing camps, I'm no political commentator but shame on them for allowing the Tories to have a free reign by abdicating their duties to the electorate and pandering to university rebel politics.

 

[whp.blue]

Why?

Not you, yours is a valid question.
The left wing posters have been trying to defend the indefensible since Brexit through the Election rout, they are much better attacking the winners.
The Left wing is all about protest has been for decades.

Thought it was a valid question given @robbieh observation

There must be a reason

 

[ROCKET80]

Labour won't win again unless they follow Blair's lead and jump into bed with the media moguls.

They are the main political influencers. It's why Brexit happened and how Boris Johnson became PM (Labour played a part in the latter).

A majority of the nation voted against it's own interests in Brexit; working class areas left labour to vote for an Etonian, Bullingdon Club, bumbling toff who lies constantly and couldn't give a shit about them because he's promised to deliver the very thing that will ultimately harm them.

How do you compete with that without the help of the media? I fear by the time the party realise that, it'll be too late.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

To be honest Labour still got a lot of votes and probably did only lose heavily because of Brexit.

The Tories gained a big majority however only gained 300,000 votes compared to 2017.

The biggest indicator for Labour wasn't this election, it was the 2017 one where socialist policy was laid out without Brexit against a vulnerable Tory party and it still didn't win.

At 42.4% the Tories vote in 2017 was the highest since 1983, adding 300,000 to that number ensured the massive majority.
I would agree with your last sentence.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Labour won't win again unless they follow Blair's lead and jump into bed with the media moguls.

They are the main political influencers. It's why Brexit happened and how Boris Johnson became PM (Labour played a part in the latter).

A majority of the nation voted against it's own interests in Brexit; working class areas left labour to vote for an Etonian, Bullingdon Club, bumbling toff who lies constantly and couldn't give a shit about them because he's promised to deliver the very thing that will ultimately harm them.

How do you compete with that without the help of the media? I fear by the time the party realise that, it'll be too late.

You are making opinionated statements, then passing them off as facts, the nation did not vote against it's own interests,
that is simply the view of Europhiles.

 

[ROCKET80]

You are making opinionated statements, then passing them off as facts, the nation did not vote against it's own interests,
that is simply the view of Europhiles.

Ironically that's how they got people to vote for Brexit and the Tories.

 

[Ban-jani]

Labour won't win again unless they follow Blair's lead and jump into bed with the media moguls.

They are the main political influencers. It's why Brexit happened and how Boris Johnson became PM (Labour played a part in the latter).

A majority of the nation voted against it's own interests in Brexit; working class areas left labour to vote for an Etonian, Bullingdon Club, bumbling toff who lies constantly and couldn't give a shit about them because he's promised to deliver the very thing that will ultimately harm them.

How do you compete with that without the help of the media? I fear by the time the party realise that, it'll be too late.

This is incredibly patronising and wide of the mark.

The inconvenient truth is that the UK public, in any of the 4 countries of the UK, including Scotland that votes for a centrist party, doesn’t want a socialist party running the country.

We haven’t had a left wing government for almost half a century.

The working classes are patriotic and want the opportunity to climb up the ladder and become rich, generally speaking.

Corbyn and his like, to many in the country, is the opposite of that.

 

[ROCKET80]

This is incredibly patronising and wide of the mark.

The inconvenient truth is that the UK public, in any of the 4 countries of the UK, including Scotland that votes for a centrist party, doesn’t want a socialist party running the country.

We haven’t had a left wing government for almost half a century.

The working classes are patriotic and want the opportunity to climb up the ladder and become rich, generally speaking.

Corbyn and his like, to many in the country, is the opposite of that.

I don't think it is either.

Both main parties went to their extremes. The Tory extreme appeals more to the 'patriotic working class' than Labour's extreme.

Corbyn was completely unpalatable for many reasons to many people (I personally still preferred him to Johnson but it is very much South Park; Giant Douche v Turd Sandwich).

I still maintain Labour need to win over the media to win the election. The Tories know this and they are a well oiled election winning machine. They are the political equivalent of the Rags in 90's; friendly media coverage with hacks attacking their rivals, abusing officials, banning journalists who dare write negatively about them and even refusing to be interviewed by the BBC.

When a political party is allowed to shape the narrative through the media, it's no wonder they pick up so many armchair voters.

 

[Ban-jani]

I don't think it is either.

Both main parties went to their extremes. The Tory extreme appeals more to the 'patriotic working class' than Labour's extreme.

Corbyn was completely unpalatable for many reasons to many people (I personally still preferred him to Johnson but it is very much South Park; Giant Douche v Turd Sandwich).

I still maintain Labour need to win over the media to win the election. The Tories know this and they are a well oiled election winning machine. They are the political equivalent of the Rags in 90's; friendly media coverage with hacks attacking their rivals, abusing officials, banning journalists who dare write negatively about them and even refusing to be interviewed by the BBC.

When a political party is allowed to shape the narrative through the media, it's no wonder they pick up so many armchair voters.

Johnson did also get hammered by the media. The Mirror, Independent and Guardian despise him and the Tories. Of course the Mail and Sun, the most read don’t but I seriously think the working classes don’t just go for whoever is supported in these papers.

They wanted Brexit and they didn’t want a socialist who had a history of fraternising with Britain’s enemies.

 

[ROCKET80]

Johnson did also get hammered by the media. The Mirror, Independent and Guardian despise him and the Tories. Of course the Mail and Sun, the most read don’t but I seriously think the working classes don’t just go for whoever is supported in these papers.

They wanted Brexit and they didn’t want a socialist who had a history of fraternising with Britain’s enemies.

I think you are underestimating the media's impact on influencing voters (and perhaps I'm guilty of over estimating it too, I'm drawing on my experiences). The Independent and Guardian are pro Labour but apart from a couple of Corbynista journalists I found them to be anti-Corbyn (and all outlets anti-City). Sure Boris got some stick in the media, but like Trump it didn't matter what he did, how much he lied, the scandals he was involved in, or enemies of Britain he fraternised/colluded with, he was rewarded with a huge majority.

I completely agree they wanted Brexit, and they wanted it at any cost. I'm not sure it was a complete rejection of socialism, more a rejection of Corbyn the man.

 

[Ban-jani]

I think you are underestimating the media's impact on influencing voters (and perhaps I'm guilty of over estimating it too, I'm drawing on my experiences). The Independent and Guardian are pro Labour but apart from a couple of Corbynista journalists I found them to be anti-Corbyn (and all outlets anti-City). Sure Boris got some stick in the media, but like Trump it didn't matter what he did, how much he lied, the scandals he was involved in, or enemies of Britain he fraternised/colluded with, he was rewarded with a huge majority.

I completely agree they wanted Brexit, and they wanted it at any cost. I'm not sure it was a complete rejection of socialism, more a rejection of Corbyn the man.

Well we haven’t elected a socialist government since the early 70’s as I’ve said.

Who did Johnson collude with who’s anti-Britain?

 

[blueinsa]

Members might have to dig deep if the reported fine for the data breach is anywhere near whats being floated!

 

[aguero93:20]

Who did Johnson collude with who’s anti-Britain?

Sinn Fein ;)