Shamima Begum

Whatever circumstance got her into the situation she is in now is past, she's now a drone and a drone we should keep away from us at all costs. What we need to do is look at how these people get radicalised and stop it from happening so that there are less instances of this occurring again.
If ISIL/ISIS would have still had a territory she would have felt safe in she would have still been doing the same things, from what I have seen she has no compassion at all no recollection of empathy or humanity and she makes us question our own morality whilst disregarding bins full of heads.
 
If you break the law, be prepared to face the consequences which includes having your British citizenship stripped away if you're a dual citizen.

How she has the cheek to complain that's a harsh punishment when the group she was very much a part of were responsible for some of the cruellest punishment imaginable is another outrage.
 
SuperstarNeilC said:


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She says she’s had 3 children, who all died. I don’t believe her. I contend she’s saying that just to gain sympathy.

When she was on TV, last year, with a swaddled up baby, that baby didn’t look alive. No movement or sounds whatsoever. And we couldn’t see the baby, it was completely wrapped in blankets, even it’s head and eyes. Plus, Begum didn’t even glance once at the “baby”, something a mother with newborn definitely *would* do.

She has no feelings or sadness about seeing severed heads in skips and bins. And witnessing actual beheadings.

She was personally sewing suicide bombers into bomb vests, so they could go and blow themselves - and innocent people - up.

She’s married to a Dutchman, let the Dutch have her.

How is she funding all her legal costs? Is it us, the British Taxpayers? How many MILLIONS of our hard-earned Taxes are being spent on her?
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I thought the same about the last baby as well

Everything you say and don't forget she said the victims of the manchester bombing deserved it

Stick her in solitary for the rest of her life so she can't infect anyone else with her poison
 
SuperstarNeilC said:


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She says she’s had 3 children, who all died. I don’t believe her. I contend she’s saying that just to gain sympathy.

When she was on TV, last year, with a swaddled up baby, that baby didn’t look alive. No movement or sounds whatsoever. And we couldn’t see the baby, it was completely wrapped in blankets, even it’s head and eyes. Plus, Begum didn’t even glance once at the “baby”, something a mother with newborn definitely *would* do.

She has no feelings or sadness about seeing severed heads in skips and bins. And witnessing actual beheadings.

She was personally sewing suicide bombers into bomb vests, so they could go and blow themselves - and innocent people - up.

She’s married to a Dutchman, let the Dutch have her.

How is she funding all her legal costs? Is it us, the British Taxpayers? How many MILLIONS of our hard-earned Taxes are being spent on her?
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Have you mentioned this to stephen??
 
Her citizenship should have been revoked when she left to go there, then she wouldn’t have been able to come back.

As a dual national (Bangladesh, I believe it was said), is she an immigrant to the UK or born there?

I hate to say it, but she made a choice and it has literally blown up in her face, but she is an adult and has to live with the consequences of that.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Her citizenship should have been revoked when she left to go there, then she wouldn’t have been able to come back.

As a dual national (Bangladesh, I believe it was said), is she an immigrant to the UK or born there?

I hate to say it, but she made a choice and it has literally blown up in her face, but she is an adult and has to live with the consequences of that.
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It's contested as to whether she has Bangladeshi citizenship - Bangladesh says she doesn't.
If Bangladesh are right, it's illegal to remove her citizenship.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
I fear she will win her appeals eventually.
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She'll probably have to be allowed back to the UK as international law stops us from making anyone stateless. There is a rarely used royal prerogative that allows us to rip up a person's UK passport though. I'm guessing there are enough terrorist related offences that can be pinned on her to put her in prison for a long time, but the problem may be that she was still a minor when she committed them. If so, stand by for her claiming to be the victim of isis grooming and living a fairly pleasant state funded life back here.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
It's contested as to whether she has Bangladeshi citizenship - Bangladesh says she doesn't.
If Bangladesh are right, it's illegal to remove her citizenship.
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She is entitled through her parents, but being entitled to a citizenship and actually applying for/holding it are not the same thing. Unless she holds another citizenship we can't remove her UK one sadly.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
She is entitled through her parents, but being entitled to a citizenship and actually applying for/holding it are not the same thing. Unless she holds another citizenship we can't remove her UK one sadly.
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Precisely, and this argument hasn't changed since the original removal.

Slightly curious that there is still no definitive answer to it. however I don't see a way for the UK to get round Bangladesh's position (if accurate) on this.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
It's contested as to whether she has Bangladeshi citizenship - Bangladesh says she doesn't.
If Bangladesh are right, it's illegal to remove her citizenship.
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Absolutely, which is why I had the caveat. The only question then is “has she committed a crime and, if so, what’s the reasonable punishment for it?” It appears those may be the only legal consequences for her to have to live with.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Absolutely, which is why I had the caveat. The only question then is “has she committed a crime and, if so, what’s the reasonable punishment for it?” It appears those may be the only legal consequences for her to have to live with.
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Sounds about right.
It makes it all the more odd that the citizenship thing is trundling onward, so maybe it's turned into some arcane legal argument.

The BBC have this (excerpts):
The Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC), a semi-secret court which hears national security cases, said she could instead turn to Bangladesh for citizenship.
Under international law, it is illegal to deprive nationals of citizenship if to do so would leave them stateless.
Rejecting the 20-year-old's case that she had been left stateless, the Commission concluded that Ms Begum was "a citizen of Bangladesh by descent".
Ms Begum is understood to have a claim to Bangladeshi nationality through her mother.
However, in February 2019, Bangladesh's ministry of foreign affairs said Ms Begum was not a Bangladeshi citizen and there was "no question" of her being allowed into the country.
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The case will now move on to consider whether the government had legitimate national security grounds to bar Ms Begum from coming back to the UK.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51413040
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
She is entitled through her parents, but being entitled to a citizenship and actually applying for/holding it are not the same thing. Unless she holds another citizenship we can't remove her UK one sadly.
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That's just what the Bangladeshi government says. They may be right but we know from our own Gov that people in power don't always tell the truth.

Whether or not she's a Bangladeshi citizen though, I suspect the Home Sec's decision will be quashed on HR grounds above all else which will probably lead to Brexit 2 and the UK deciding to turns its back on the ECHR.
 
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