UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[BillCarlisle]

And it left Tony Towers in the shadows, who up till that point had an amazing season.A player like Marsh was not needed at the time.

Correct !

 

[WRicko]

It didn't stop Dan Roan.

The most damaging comments come from liberal journalists who in normal circumstances might defend City but whose natural antipathy towards our Emirati owner has led them to side with UEFA.

Perhaps some in City's fanbase will learn something about self-reliance and realise who their enemies are. Boycott the Guardian. They are one of the main opinion formers and Fleet St's only digital football arm.

Only digital football arm ?

 

[KS55]

I don't know why anyone is reading anything or watching sky or bt,it's a collective jizz,the country wil probably sink under the weight of it given we sre only a sma!l island

Nothing like collective jizz to liven up the day.

 

[cookster]

Yes and he still attends games

Anyone know where he sits?

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

Unfortunately I have zero confidence that city will stand up to this. I hope I’m wrong but we seem to have been here many times before on different levels and the club never seems to stand up for itself.

The owner's sole interest is in his capital investment. Whatever is best for that is best for him.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I doubt if that could be done. The European Supreme Court has considered the case against FFP brought by Dupont (the Bosman guy) and thrown it out. Doesn't mean to say City can't start another case of course if they can find a different angle I suppose.

It looks to me that City are going to have to persuade the CAS that the UEFA procedure was so fundamentally flawed that it needs to be overturned. That's the line of City's statement. If they can add to that persuasive arguments to refute the allegations themselves, then all the better but so far City have confined themselves to the unfair procedure argumant, not the actual allegations.

The one glimmer of light I see in this is that neither side can afford to lose 100% on this and any arbitration process is a risk for both parties. Which suggest some sort of middle way, maybe even "out of court".

Claimants having no standing is far different than City suing specifically charging restraint of trade as well as for specific monetary damages. City are quite clearly an aggrieved party. And who knows what intriguing emails between hegemony clubs and UEFA might be uncovered during an exhaustive discovery process?

 

[SilverFox2]

Indeed.

The more you think about this ban in the context of previous UEFA actions, subsequent efforts to fight those actions, the outcomes of related appeals, and they way UEFA have gone about this investigation, the more it seems a last disparate thrust of a cornered animal. Especially when you consider that Sam Lee and a few others with decent contacts at the club and UEFA didn’t think they would attempt to impose a ban at all. I get the sense — and this is complete conjecture, mind — that there was some sort of last minute concerted effort from various interested parties (perhaps including threats of exposing privileged information) that forced UEFA on to this course. And it is likely UEFA was not unified in the decision.

Possibly the main agitator s indicating they had put the fix in regarding choice of CAS members so no risk.

 

[Sky Blue]

Anyone know where he sits?

On Simon Stone's knee.

 

[mat]

I thought you looked a bit like me.











Son.

Could be true as I thought "mum" was beautiful.

:)

 

[Brendan110_0]

Part of me would love to see how Garry Cooke would have dealt with this whole situation.

 

[Charlesfarsbar]

The 93:20 pod on CAS is a good listen, the conclusion is that they can’t believe the case got past the UEFA AC without being thrown out , mainly due to technicalities around the period for which the 2014 settlement covers

it must have been a politically motivated decision meant to damage our reputation in the eyes of the public

I think we’ll have this kicked out on appeal

as khaldoon said, if the case is based on fact then we will win , if it’s based on their things that’s a different conversation ...

 

[Bandofblues]

Not me but I've seen someone say that wouldn't make their findings public if we appealed. But if we appeal they'll have to presumably so somewhat self-defeating and again suggests they aren't sure of their ground.

Might have been me, it's in UEFAs statement:

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/news/newsid=2638659.html

"The decision of the Adjudicatory Chamber is subject to appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS). If Manchester City Football Club exercises that right the full reasoned decision of the Adjudicatory Chamber will not be published prior to publication of the final award by the CAS.”

 

[Chi-town blues]

All I want to know is did city breach any fuck law or not ?

 

[City Man]

This Forbes article is a fairly good summary of the outcome of the appeal. It didn’t strike down FFP, but it did plant the seeds for a more comprehensive challenge, should a club with sufficient resources to mount one choose to pursue it.


Court Of Arbitration For Sport Ruling Delivers Bloody Nose To UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulators

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2019/02/17/cas-takes-uefa-to-task-for-late-ffp-challenge-on-galatasaray-what-might-it-mean-for-psg/#e6456de140e8

Looks like a failure to meet timescales to me. Can't see anything about FFP itself.

 

[domalino]

Indeed.

The more you think about this ban in the context of previous UEFA actions, subsequent efforts to fight those actions, the outcomes of related appeals, and they way UEFA have gone about this investigation, the more it seems a last disparate thrust of a cornered animal. Especially when you consider that Sam Lee and a few others with decent contacts at the club and UEFA didn’t think they would attempt to impose a ban at all. I get the sense — and this is complete conjecture, mind — that there was some sort of last minute concerted effort from various interested parties (perhaps including threats of exposing privileged information) that forced UEFA on to this course. And it is likely UEFA was not unified in the decision.

I said yesterday there's a civil war at UEFA over FFP. There's the lifelong administrators like Ceferin who just want to keep the boat moving forwards and whose loyalty is towards UEFA, and then there's the former club employees who want to benefit their clubs and the zealots who don't want rich arabs involved.

Everything I've seen come out so far, including things like Ceferin and Khaldoon making friends in December, Sam Lee & co. genuinely being told that nothing was coming, and then some of the old Gill-friendly journalists spouting 2 year, 3 year bans, has convinced me that we were headed to not get anything and some of the zealots at UEFA have found out and the Adjudicatory board going their own way.

 

[KS55]

Media are gleeful. They can see the end of Pep Guardiola and cannot wait. They will turn the screw now, the coverage is going to be worse than we ever thought it could be.

Well, when we prove what a shit show this is, they are going to look very sheepish.

 

[mrbelfry]

Couple of interesting pods put out by 93:20 today. From looking at the CAS statement some suggestion with a whole bunch of caveats that UEFA have screwed the pooch in terms of missing their own deadlines and some jurisdiction issues - with a huge caveat that this is kind of obvious so there may be info not in the public arena which makes it all incorrect :) The leaks issue is irrelevant which CAS noted. More detail obviously given in the pod.

I still wonder if being cleared by CAS will be enough for the club or if they will still seek damages - we will have to prove some kind of loss I think. City so far seem to be arguing that UEFA is incorrect that we have misled them rather than attacking the core idea of FFP itself. I don't think we'd be happy with being cleared on technicalities - we want exoneration that we haven't 'cheated' rather than bringing the whole edifice down.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I said yesterday there's a civil war at UEFA over FFP. There's the lifelong administrators like Ceferin who just want to keep the boat moving forwards, and then there's the former club employees who want to benefit their clubs and the zealots who don't want rich arabs involved.

Yes, that does seem to be the case.

If nothing else, the club challenge should expose quite a few dark corners of UEFA to sunlight.

We’ll soon see what attempts to scurry away once illuminated.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

I have sincere doubts that we have enough evidence to change the outcome.

The only hope for me is a Spotlight situation where we've given enough to UEFA to justify our stance, but have enough material that we're sat on that we can release at the most opportune moment in something like a legal setting, where it has to be publicly reported objectively.

 

[razman]

Sheikh Mansour is at a wedding. Guess , he knows Khaldoon's got this covered :)