COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[aguero93:20]

I meant closing them all down as has happened in Japan. The Chief Medical Officer has suggested we might have to.

That would certainly be the acid test as to how well prepared we are, how thorough are the government’s contingency plans. Have they addressed the question “how can we shut down all of the schools and still ensure that essential workers can keep working?”

Workhouses.

 

[grunge]

the price gouging is well and truely under way.

Amazon product ASIN
"Carex Fun Edition Bubble Gum Hand Gel, 12 x 50ml" £138 !!

 

[inchy14]

Doesn't it depend on if it's in a church or not.................

Depends on the size Of the church

Get your own 'jokes'

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Wasn’t referring to that, but possibly. Who knows. The way it’s being managed seems at odds with the apparent risk.

I agree. They seem to be panicking a bit given the numbers affected.

 

[cibaman]

I agree. They seem to be panicking a bit given the numbers affected.

I don’t think they really have a handle on how big the risk is for the UK. The data from China has restricted value simply because the UK population just wouldn’t tolerate or cooperate with the containment measures that the Chinese government has imposed. Nobody really knows what’s happening in Iran. In a week or so the data from Italy will give a much better indication as to what the risks are for countries with similar freedoms, healthcare systems etc

And I don’t think it’s so much panicking as a desire to keep the virus at bay until winter’s over.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Some bargain holidays to be had I reckon. Similar to when all inclusive deals to the Dominican republic halved in price after a few bouts of food poisoning.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Wasn’t referring to that, but possibly. Who knows. The way it’s being managed seems at odds with the apparent risk.

I agree. They seem to be panicking a bit given the numbers affected.

I don’t think they really have a handle on how big the risk is for the UK. The data from China has restricted value simply because the UK population just wouldn’t tolerate or cooperate with the containment measures that the Chinese government has imposed. Nobody really knows what’s happening in Iran. In a week or so the data from Italy will give a much better indication as to what the risks are for countries with similar freedoms, healthcare systems etc

And I don’t think it’s so much panicking as a desire to keep the virus at bay until winter’s over.

Based on quite a few factors (likely suppressed reporting in China, especially draconian initial quarantine measures taken, WHO/CDC not being allowed in to China for quite sometime, and only after extensive negotiation, WHO not declaring a global pandemic even though it already easily meets their own definition, governments beginning to take measures to limit public gathering and travel, certain suspect financial movements beyond just the general market downturn, etc.), I am fairly certain the the threat is higher than his being conveyed to the public-at-large and that quite a lot of the public response across multiple major countries has been coordinated to limit/stagger panic and, believe it or not, the impact to the global economy.

Even with a 2-10% mortality rate and R0 of 3-5 (depending on how advanced your healthcare system is, the number of infections, the general health of your populace prior to the outbreak, and population densities), this is a dangerous pathogen. But there are some indicators that it may be worse than what we are being told, though, it is very unlikely for sinister reasons.

 

[BobKowalski]

Long read on the problems Coronavirus poses not least of which is the low mortality rate

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/

 

[Super David Silva 21]

Is all this starting to get out of hand and a bit OTT???

 

[Ban-jani]

First British fatality, in Japan.

RIP

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

First British fatality, in Japan.

RIP

I'm hoping it's not either of that old couple that have been providing video updates?

 

[SebastianBlue]

Long read on the problems Coronavirus poses not least of which is the low mortality rate

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/

I read that as well and it does have some interesting information.

It is more apt to say the *relatively* low severe case rate coupled with *relatively* high R0 and incubation period is the main reason for the virus being such a threat (and that’s not even taking in to account all of those metrics might actually be worse than reported).

That said, one of the bigger issues (which the article does touch on) is that a 20%+ severe case rate and high R0 and incubation period means that many, many people are likely to need treatment all at once without drastic measures to slow (but not stop) transmission, which in turn leads to stressing of healthcare systems, which in turn leads to higher transmission and mortality rate (as people are much more likely to die if they cannot get proper supportive care), which leads to more stressing of the healthcare systems, and so on. And that’s not even factoring the stress of individuals that don’t even have COVID-19 seeking assessment, as they have the flu or another coronavirus that simply causes a severe cold, which is very likely going to happen en masse given the timing of this outbreak coinciding with peak seasonal flu season in the northern hemisphere.

It becomes a deadly self-magnifying cycle that can potentially lead to system collapse which would see mortality rates skyrocket and social order faltering. And that process will happen much, much faster in underdeveloped countries, like Iran, Pakistan, India, etc.

This is what the current public responses are primarily attempting to avoid. We are not trying to stop the spread at this point, as that cannot be done. We are trying to slow it down so it can hopefully be managed with causing our healthcare systems to become completely dysfunctional.

 

[Ban-jani]

I'm hoping it's not either of that old couple that have been providing video updates?

No idea bud, I think they were on a cruise though but don’t know where.

 

[purplenose]

Is all this starting to get out of hand and a bit OTT???

Either that or it is infact more serious than is being revealed. When countries start shutting down either heads will roll for gross disinformation which will cause untold damage to the worldwide economy, which in turn could trigger all manner of worldwide unrest and conflict. Alternatively they will roll for not acting quickly enough when this thing turns out to be a very serious issue that kills many and pretty much has the same effect on the world economy if not worse on top of the deaths caused by it.

This is not looking great either way and unless during the next couple of weeks this thing starts to decrease globally we could be in a spot of bother. If not a we could be seeing airports closed, domestic travel restrictions, all schools closed until at least after the easter holidays, large crowds being banned.

I see the oaf is chairing a cobra meeting on Monday, after which I suspect what measures are deemed prudent will become clear.

 

[BlueHammer85]

First British fatality, in Japan.

RIP

age confirmed anywhere ?

 

[mancityvstoke]

age confirmed anywhere ?

95

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

I'm hoping it's not either of that old couple that have been providing video updates?

Sky say it's not.

 

[blueun]

Very wary of this virus.....but
Liverpool dont win epl
Liverpools unbeaten season means zero
No record points gap
Maybe their streak of wins will be null and void
Down the boozer saying....but we ll never know....with the most jaw aching grin. Keep me going into my 70s

 

[cibaman]

Very wary of this virus.....but
Liverpool dont win epl
Liverpools unbeaten season means zero
No record points gap
Maybe their streak of wins will be null and void
Down the boozer saying....but we ll never know....with the most jaw aching grin. Keep me going into my 70s

I still think the most likely outcome is that the Pl season will be completed with games played behind closed doors

 

[Uffa]

Long read on the problems Coronavirus poses not least of which is the low mortality rate

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/

Good article, thanks for sharing it.

And that’s not even factoring the stress of incidíais that don’t even have COVID-19 sealing assessment, as they have the flu or another coronavirus that simply causes a severe cold, which is very likely going to happen en masse given the timing of this outbreak coinciding with peak seasonal flu season in the northern hemisphere.

Regarding this, I remember one of the things virologists and doctors stressed out when it began to spread here was that being vaccinated against the flu (which is free for people with severe illnesses and elders here) was a good thing also because it allowed doctors not to be misled by patients who thought to be sick because of the Covid but actually had the flu. Unfortunately the vaccine takes ~2 weeks to become "active" and the flu-vaccinating season was more or less over, but it's a good tip for the future.