UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[the talisman]

Definitely starting to look like there’s a few smaller battles within the big battle.

The thing that makes no sense to me now is that it was the IC/AC who decided the severity of the punishment but it was handed down in the name of UEFA so surely they at least knew what punishment they were handing down?

Yet now we have the head of the organisation saying that not only as he not spoken to anybody about the case but has never even seen it

I wouldn’t trust any of them as far as I can throw them.

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

Definitely starting to look like there’s a few smaller battles within the big battle.

The thing that makes no sense to me now is that it was the IC/AC who decided the severity of the punishment but it was handed down in the name of UEFA so surely they at least knew what punishment they were handing down?

Yet now we have the head of the organisation saying that not only as he not spoken to anybody about the case but has never even seen it

Might be worth us keeping tabs on the financial structure of UEFA - if there are elements being hastily restructured into seperate entities so that they could be sacrificed with zero recourse to the carcass.

 

[Franny's toilet roll]

It’s not for qualifying years it’s says 20/21 21/22
The Adjudicatory Chamber has imposed disciplinary measures on Manchester City Football Club directing that it shall be excluded from participation in UEFA club competitions in the next two seasons (ie. the 2020/21 and 2021/22 seasons) and pay a fine of € 30 million.
Liverpool would have failed FFP but didn’t qualify They also were allowed to move £50m of expenditure to infrastructure the next season they qualified This was money they claimed was spent on the pictures of a new stadium

I thought the UEFA chief added a rider that we are banned for 2 years 'for which we qualify'?

 

[Dirty Harry]

Wish people would stop referring to these teams as "the elite" and suchlike, at least put "self proclaimed" or something in front, most of them were just in the right place at the right time when money started rolling in, it wasn't that long ago people were pissing themselves when Barcelona said they were going to challenge Real Madrid for Beckham's signature !

 

[SilverFox2]

Might be worth us keeping tabs on the financial structure of UEFA - if there are elements being hastily restructured into seperate entities so that they could be sacrificed with zero recourse to the carcass.

That is a very good point.
Winning a legal case is one thing but collecting any awarded damages is another.

 

[SilverFox2]

Definitely starting to look like there’s a few smaller battles within the big battle.

The thing that makes no sense to me now is that it was the IC/AC who decided the severity of the punishment but it was handed down in the name of UEFA so surely they at least knew what punishment they were handing down?

Yet now we have the head of the organisation saying that not only as he not spoken to anybody about the case but has never even seen it

Variation on the "I knew nothing about it" defence.
The question is if top brass don't know, why don't they know? Yet to see any CEO of a Bank punished for money laundering offences on their watch.

 

[hello]

Definitely starting to look like there’s a few smaller battles within the big battle.

The thing that makes no sense to me now is that it was the IC/AC who decided the severity of the punishment but it was handed down in the name of UEFA so surely they at least knew what punishment they were handing down?

Yet now we have the head of the organisation saying that not only as he not spoken to anybody about the case but has never even seen it

The same head of the organisation that stupidly said it was a concrete case before the case was even started on the back of a gossip magazines story.

Dec 2018, Ceferin said: “We are assessing the situation. We have an independent body working on it. Very soon we will have the answers on what will happen in this concrete case.”
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...amount-to-concrete-case-against-a4007461.html

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I wouldn’t trust any of them as far as I can throw them.

I wouldn't trust them as far as I could kick the Etihad across the road to the Asda carpark! The organisation has stunk to Heaven for years, run by a cabal of clubs for their own benefit and will attempt to fuck over any one who attempts to snatch any of their 'birthrights'!

 

[Shaelumstash]

The same head of the organisation that stupidly said it was a concrete case before the case was even started on the back of gossip magazines story.

Pretty sure “this concrete case” was a mistranslation and he actually said “this particular case”.

 

[hello]

Pretty sure “this concrete case” was a mistranslation and he actually said “this particular case”.

Actual quotes added I am pretty sure even our shite press can't actually misquote.

The fucker said its a concrete case before the case even started and now says he knows nothing and hasn't seen anything about the case. he's a fucking lying twat like the rest of them,

 

[ganganvince]

Actual quotes added I am pretty sure even our shite press can actually misquote.

The fucker said its a concrete case before the case even started and now says he knows nothing and hasn't seen anything about the case. he's a fucking lying twat like the rest of them,

Because if he admits that he was involved at that stage the CAS hearing would last 2 mins process has to be independent.

 

[FrankSwift1]

Actual quotes added I am pretty sure even our shite press can actually misquote.

The fucker said its a concrete case before the case even started and now says he knows nothing and hasn't seen anything about the case. he's a fucking lying twat like the rest of them,

It is a quote and our media jumped all over it. But in many European languages translating specific to English is often mistakenly said as concrete.

 

[Gordyola]

Quote from CAS was "The appeal is directed against the decision of the Adjudicatory Chamber of the UEFA Club Financial Control Body (CFCB) dated 14 February 2020 in which Manchester City was deemed to have contravened UEFA’s Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations and sanctioned with exclusion from the next two seasons of UEFA club competitions for which the club would qualify and ordered to pay a fine of EUR 30 million."

The line can be read as "exclusion from season 2020/21 and 2021/22 of whichever competition (Europa League or Champions League or A.N.Other competition which might yet be dreamed up) that city qualifies for"
so in my opinion there is no contradiction with the line "The Adjudicatory Chamber has imposed disciplinary measures on Manchester City Football Club directing that it shall be excluded from participation in UEFA club competitions in the next two seasons (ie. the 2020/21 and 2021/22 seasons) and pay a fine of € 30 million." from the UEFA press release

I thought the UEFA chief added a rider that we are banned for 2 years 'for which we qualify'?

The CFCB Statement from UEFA website clearly states the season which the ban is effective This is definitive regardless of what CAS have said

UEFA takes note of the decision of the independent Adjudicatory Chamber of the Club Financial Control Body (CFCB), issued today, which included the following summary of its content and effect to be announced as required by the Procedural Rules governing the CFCB:

“Following a hearing held on 22 January 2020 the Adjudicatory Chamber of the UEFA Club Financial Control Body (CFCB), chaired by José da Cunha Rodrigues, has today notified Manchester City Football Club of the final decision on the case which was referred by the CFCB Chief Investigator.

The Adjudicatory Chamber, having considered all the evidence, has found that Manchester City Football Club committed serious breaches of the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations by overstating its sponsorship revenue in its accounts and in the break-even information submitted to UEFA between 2012 and 2016.

The Adjudicatory Chamber has also found that in breach of the regulations the Club failed to cooperate in the investigation of this case by the CFCB.

The Adjudicatory Chamber has imposed disciplinary measures on Manchester City Football Club directing that it shall be excluded from participation in UEFA club competitions in the next two seasons (ie. the 2020/21 and 2021/22 seasons) and pay a fine of € 30 million.

The decision of the Adjudicatory Chamber is subject to appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS). If Manchester City Football Club exercises that right the full reasoned decision of the Adjudicatory Chamber will not be published prior to publication of the final award by the CAS.”

As noted by the Adjudicatory Chamber, the club has the right to appeal this decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Therefore, UEFA will not be commenting further on this decision at this stage.

 

[Centurions]

The CFCB Statement from UEFA website clearly states the season which the ban is effective This is definitive regardless of what CAS have said

UEFA takes note of the decision of the independent Adjudicatory Chamber of the Club Financial Control Body (CFCB), issued today, which included the following summary of its content and effect to be announced as required by the Procedural Rules governing the CFCB:

“Following a hearing held on 22 January 2020 the Adjudicatory Chamber of the UEFA Club Financial Control Body (CFCB), chaired by José da Cunha Rodrigues, has today notified Manchester City Football Club of the final decision on the case which was referred by the CFCB Chief Investigator.

The Adjudicatory Chamber, having considered all the evidence, has found that Manchester City Football Club committed serious breaches of the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations by overstating its sponsorship revenue in its accounts and in the break-even information submitted to UEFA between 2012 and 2016.

The Adjudicatory Chamber has also found that in breach of the regulations the Club failed to cooperate in the investigation of this case by the CFCB.

The Adjudicatory Chamber has imposed disciplinary measures on Manchester City Football Club directing that it shall be excluded from participation in UEFA club competitions in the next two seasons (ie. the 2020/21 and 2021/22 seasons) and pay a fine of € 30 million.

The decision of the Adjudicatory Chamber is subject to appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS). If Manchester City Football Club exercises that right the full reasoned decision of the Adjudicatory Chamber will not be published prior to publication of the final award by the CAS.”

As noted by the Adjudicatory Chamber, the club has the right to appeal this decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sport. Therefore, UEFA will not be commenting further on this decision at this stage.

And because someone will ask:-

https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/about-uefa/news/newsid=2638659.html

And they definitely use i.e. NOT e.g. as the two have different meanings.

Of course they could always change the dates to suit being UEFA and all.

 

[hello]

It is a quote and our media jumped all over it. But in many European languages translating specific to English is often mistakenly said as concrete.

He speaks English, better English than me, so I am not buying that mistranslated bullshit.

Specific in Slovenian is specifična Concrete is Beton, in french Uefa's other official language its spécifique and béton, Italian which he also speaks specifico & calcestruzzo, serbian is специфичне and concrete is бетон

He might be a clever bastard that speaks 5 languages but hes a lying clever bastard for me.

 

[nmc]

Because if he admits that he was involved at that stage the CAS hearing would last 2 mins process has to be independent.

^ This is correct. There may be some awkward questions at CAS for UEFA if as rumoured Ceferin was trying to broker a compromise When he publicly attended a number of our Group UCL matches. How could he be in a position to discuss a compromise if he didn’t know what was going on? Crooks and fraudsters everywhere you look at UEFA.

 

[Marvin]

He speaks English, better English than me, so I am not buying that mistranslated bullshit.

Specific in Slovenian is specifična Concrete is Beton, in french Uefa's other official language its spécifique and béton, Italian which he also speaks specifico & calcestruzzo, serbian is специфичне and concrete is бетон

He might be a clever bastard that speaks 5 languages but hes a lying clever bastard for me.

There is nothing to be gained by analysing every word he says and then wondering about translations.

 

[Ajm1985]

That Conn dude seems to despise your club with a passion. Why relate the City Cup victory with the money invested ? Real Madrid didn't win all their trophies because they were poor. The Great Milan of Berlusconi fall into the abyss after his cashflow stopped being funneled into the club. Those journos are acting as if most of the most successful clubs are not the most powerful ones on the economic side. They are either hypocritical or ignorant about this sport. And both are terrible for a journalist.

Ah but these are 'tradition-rich' clubs...

 

[Grassland Blue]

I`m more and more convinced that Ceferein is not only behind City but that he wants to rid UEFA of the so called G14 shitbags.

I was considering that myself...

 

[David Kloppesh]

He speaks English, better English than me, so I am not buying that mistranslated bullshit.

Specific in Slovenian is specifična Concrete is Beton, in french Uefa's other official language its spécifique and béton, Italian which he also speaks specifico & calcestruzzo, serbian is специфичне and concrete is бетон

He might be a clever bastard that speaks 5 languages but hes a lying clever bastard for me.

in serbian, specific is concrete.