Bands that sold out

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KS55 said:
The Beatles. George Martin turned everything they did into sugary pop pap. Lennon, asked which tracks he would like to record anew replied : "all of them". There was a good band in there somewhere.
Yeah yeah yeah.
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Surely it was the Beatles earlier stuff that was sugary pop pap? Their later stuff was more complex, more varied, less sugary pop pap!
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Surely it was the Beatles earlier stuff that was sugary pop pap? Their later stuff was more complex, more varied, less sugary pop pap!
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I take sell out to mean to prostitute your talent in favour of making more money, which is exactly what Martin did with them in those poppy years. Don't think the chronology makes any difference.
Having said that, I was being a little provocative. Nevertheless, I still wonder why Harrison's compositions were kept off the albums. 'Something' is the most sophisticated song penned by a Beatle. Chacun a son gout.
 
KS55 said:
I take sell out to mean to prostitute your talent in favour of making more money, which is exactly what Martin did with them in those poppy years. Don't think the chronology makes any difference.
Having said that, I was being a little provocative. Nevertheless, I still wonder why Harrison's compositions were kept off the albums. 'Something' is the most sophisticated song penned by a Beatle. Chacun a son gout.
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Something wasn't kept off an album.
 
nimrod said:
Something wasn't kept off an album.
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Well, it was finally accepted for Abbey road, but not before Harrison recorded it as a solo demo and offered it elsewhere, including to Joe Cocker, believing it would not be accepted as a Beatles song. Most of Harrison's compositions were kept permanently off Beatles albums.
 
"When the Beatles were depressed-thinking the group was going nowhere, and this is a shitty deal, and we're in a shitty dressing room-I'd say, 'Where are we going, fellas?' And they'd go, 'To the top, Johnny!' And I'd say, 'Where's that fellas?' and they'd say, 'To the toppermost of the poppermost!' and I'd say, 'Right!' Then we'd all sort of cheer up."
John Lennon

The Beatles were only ever interested in making money, as are the vast majority of bands when they start recording.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
The idea of a pop group "selling out" is nonsense. Every group that ever released a single did so for fame and money. It's the business and their prime motivation. It applies to all artists in all genre really. Art for art's sake is an excuse for failure.
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I disagree. You mentioned pop group but the OP said ‘band’. Do you think the band Anal **** do it primarily for fame? Or have you, like 90-odd% of posters, never heard of them?
 
nimrod said:
Don't agree.
George Martin with his classical knowledge helped them enormously arranging their later more artistic music.
He encouraged them to experiment with song's like A day in the life, Eleanor Rigby and Tomorrow Never Knows.
They were the opposite of a selling out band.
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Martin's production is astounding.
 
PinkFinal said:
Sex Pistols
Velvet Underground

Reformed for tours in the 90s.....awful
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Well lots of bands reform for the cash - but I back the Pistols on this charge for 2 reasons.
Firstly they hardly made a penny first time round as McClaren helped himself to the money.
2nd they were pretty open about it being the Filthy Lucre tour and doing it for the money rather than pretending it wasnt. Plus lets be honest, not too many folk got to see them 1st time around. I felt they were reclaiming the band and legacy back from McClaren
 
dronefromsector7G said:
I disagree. You mentioned pop group but the OP said ‘band’. Do you think the band Anal **** do it primarily for fame? Or have you, like 90-odd% of posters, never heard of them?
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A name like that sounds like they want notoriety so I suggest you park your bullshit elsewhere.

The idea of band's selling-out is a fairly stupid construct unless it refers to attendances.
 
If any band thinks they will make more money in what is usually a short career, they will take it. And regardless how early fans feel cheated after they go more mainstream, this wouldn't bother me at all.

If people want a band to give up financial security, because they had a copy of a copy of the first gig at The Dog and Duck, and are appalled at the treachery, then go start your own fucking band.

I always found that those who held these, sold out views, weren't musicians, singers, or performers. Never been in a band, couldn't play a fucking note, telling other people who could to forgo financial security because they are a bunch of pretentious pricks.

And no, I'm not bitter, our band never made it. But I can assure you if we did and some twat came up and said you sold out, he would have been knocked out. Pronto.

For us we were just too ahead of our time with our Jazz Funk Folk vibe.
 
dronefromsector7G said:
I disagree. You mentioned pop group but the OP said ‘band’. Do you think the band Anal **** do it primarily for fame? Or have you, like 90-odd% of posters, never heard of them?
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The only band I know whose songs I can name a shitload of, yet haven't heard any.
 
Magicpole said:
If any band thinks they will make more money in what is usually a short career, they will take it. And regardless how early fans feel cheated after they go more mainstream, this wouldn't bother me at all.

If people want a band to give up financial security, because they had a copy of a copy of the first gig at The Dog and Duck, and are appalled at the treachery, then go start your own fucking band.

I always found that those who held these, sold out views, weren't musicians, singers, or performers. Never been in a band, couldn't play a fucking note, telling other people who could to forgo financial security because they are a bunch of pretentious pricks.

And no, I'm not bitter, our band never made it. But I can assure you if we did and some twat came up and said you sold out, he would have been knocked out. Pronto.

For us we were just too ahead of our time with our Jazz Funk Folk vibe.
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Not forgetting of course that record companies sometimes demand more commercialism if sales aren't good.
Like, get more commercial or lose your record contract.

This whole thread is a bit naive.
 
nimrod said:
Not forgetting of course that record companies sometimes demand more commercialism if sales aren't good.
Like, get more commercial or lose your record contract.

This whole thread is a bit naive.
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Exactly, it's either go this way or go home.
 
Magicpole said:
If any band thinks they will make more money in what is usually a short career, they will take it. And regardless how early fans feel cheated after they go more mainstream, this wouldn't bother me at all.

If people want a band to give up financial security, because they had a copy of a copy of the first gig at The Dog and Duck, and are appalled at the treachery, then go start your own fucking band.

I always found that those who held these, sold out views, weren't musicians, singers, or performers. Never been in a band, couldn't play a fucking note, telling other people who could to forgo financial security because they are a bunch of pretentious pricks.

And no, I'm not bitter, our band never made it. But I can assure you if we did and some twat came up and said you sold out, he would have been knocked out. Pronto.

For us we were just too ahead of our time with our Jazz Funk Folk vibe.
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I forgot you were in the Bay City Rollers. Tragic that you apparently all got bummed by your manager.x
 
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