UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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Can’t seem to find it now or remember which journalist tweeted it, but before our game on Sunday there was a tweet which was bigging Villa up as the right model to run a club. No debt and money in the bank.
That’s not aged well...

edit - it was Ian herbert. Just found tweet but no fucking idea how to put it on here.
 
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Conn is kind of right on one point. In the EFL, owners are only required to fund additional wages above the limit for one season, whereas contracts run for multiple years. But as with UEFA's version of FFP, the EFL one totally misses the mark if you're looking for an effective financial monitoring process.

Owner investment is not in itself dangerous as long as it's part of a controlled and managed process, that seeks to achieve financial sustainability. It's certainly better than debt, which has to be repaid at some point.

Chelsea owe Abramovich's Fordstam holding company about the same as Sheikh Mansour has invested in City, which is just under £1.5bn. If he walked away from Chelsea that sum would have to be repaid to him within 18 months. If Sheikh Mansour sold City, he'd take 77% of the proceeds.

United may well be profitable but there's a covenant as part of their debt arrangement that they have to achieve a given level of profitability otherwise their debt is repayable on demand. So they could still return a profit yet fall foul of that covenant, something which FFP would never flag up.

Prior to ADUG taking over, we recorded relatively small losses, which when allowable expenditure was added back, would probably have seen us achieve break-even under current FFP rules. Yet cashflow was negative, meaning John Wardle & David Makin has to lend us money to meet our commitments. That's something else the current version of FFP would never flag up yet it's an absolutely key danger signal.

He's the misguided one if he's saying that FFP would have prevented a Bury/Leeds/Portsmouth scenario. There's no guarantee of that at all as there is no version of FFP operated currently, in the EFL, the PL of UEFA, that would do that as none of these look at the range of factors necessary to be confident that you could achieve that.
 
He's saying FFP is needed because the owner might run out of money and then the team will be in trouble. Nothing to do with the fact that debt is what put Bury in trouble.

Correct if they Weren’t in debt they would be buyers out there for the club and someone worth millions might buy it invest have aspirations to get in to the championship or even premier like Salford city owners are aiming for!

Gill in 2004 even said debt is the road to ruin now the c@nt thinks it’s great.
 
Correct if they Weren’t in debt they would be buyers out there for the club and someone worth millions might buy it invest have aspirations to get in to the championship or even premier like Salford city owners are aiming for!

Gill in 2004 even said debt is the road to ruin now the c@nt thinks it’s great.

he's got no other option though has he ?


fucking rag hypocrite !
 
Correct if they Weren’t in debt they would be buyers out there for the club and someone worth millions might buy it invest have aspirations to get in to the championship or even premier like Salford city owners are aiming for!

Gill in 2004 even said debt is the road to ruin now the c@nt thinks it’s great.
Platini 2008 in the independent:
‘Look at Chelsea and Man Utd’s debts. Fifa and uefa have to do something to combat that, because today the ones who cheat are going on to win.
Is champions’ league success built around those who have the most money? I think so, it is run on credit and it annoys me’.
Apparently peter Kenyon (Chelsea) and gill were said to be ‘furious’ on hearing this.
 
Can anybody translate the (?) Serbo Croat or is it all avocados?
I expect one of the usual suspects on twitter will now be posting:
"Those loony Man City fans are so paranoid that they are now communicating in code".
 
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