Question:
Hypothetically, if we're banned from the CL, does CL FFP still apply to us during the 2 year period?
I know the PL has its own version which we still have to adhere to, before anyone points that out.
I think the invitation to take part in UEFA competitions is by association, not to individual clubs.Ok guys, apologies if I’ve missed the answer already in this incredibly long thread. Could UEFA just say you know what, you can no longer play in our competitions full stop. I know it’s a take your ball home unlikely scenario but could they do it?
So UEFA would still scrutinise us outside of their competitions?It's a 3 year cycle so yes it does.
Issues Management is the jargon, @Prestwich_Blue . Its not about legal action but a steady campaign to correct the falsities. Just patiently point out the errors to a journo and copy in his editor. Takes time and effort, but in the end editors get fed up with dealing with it and tell the journos to pull their horns in.Working in the Media team at City must be the easiest job in the world because every fucker can do it brilliantly and most could do it better than the professionals we employ.
Let's do it your way. Ban everyone who writes anything we don't like. Then they carry on writing things we like even less. If it's not legally actionable then what do you do?
So UEFA would still scrutinise us outside of their competitions?
So wouldn't the sane apply to every club outside of their competitions: eg: Norwich, Watford, WHU etc???
But what have losses to do with City who are minted & can prove so? Why not just rein in debt as the original version was supposed to do?The problem with arguing against FFP is UEFA will argue it was introduced to get a control on losses. They have the numbers to back it up.
Interesting article below, particularly this piece
FFP & EU Competition Law
The principles of EU competition policy are set down in Article 101 and Article 102 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. The key decision in the context of sporting rules and EU competition law is that of Meca-Medina.7 The ECJ confirmed the finding in Wouters & Others8 and found that the following must be taken into account when considering the effect rules set out by a regulatory body may have on competition:
The middle one is backed up by financial results across Europe.
- The context in which the rule was adopted or produces its effects and objectives;
- Whether the restrictions caused by the rule are inherent in the pursuit of its objectives;
- The proportionality of the restriction on competition in light of the objectives of the rules.
https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/features/item/the-deficiency-of-fairness-in-financial-fair-play
A contract to do something against the law or contrary to public policy is unenforcable. UEFAS rules are not worth the paper they are written on, but i doubt that City will challenge them at this stage.I'm no lawyer but that sounds like a legally binding contract. Still doesn't mean it can't be challenged.
So if you're banned, you can't qualify & therefore shouldn't be reviewed, & your rolling three year assessment period should be reset.it's a 3 year window but you're only "reviewed" if you qualify.
It's also a classic case of confirmation bias.... :-(was chatting to a united fan today he was going on about cheating so asked him how " well you get 400 million a year of Etihad were Arsenal get 20 million " wow where did you hear this oh in the paper, i replied " i wouldnt trust the date never mind the rest and 400 million was over 10 years and covered kit, stadium. campus, womens team and youth so under value if anything " the papers have done their job
Link?Another excellent article by Martin Samuel regarding comments made by the Juve owner at the weekend regarding the protectionism of the elite clubs
And apparently the sheik is the only buisness owner on the planet that cannot choose how and when to invest his own money in his own business. I can understand uefa being able to dictate terms as to how their competition is run, but surely they have no right to dictate how individuals or companies choose to invest?If it's written, it's written. I can just imagine the ECJ giving special cartel dispensation to UEFA. The following week UAS (United Association of Supermarkets) is formed based on the same cartel dispensation criteria that UEFA were given.
The week after that the UAAE (United Airline Association of Europe) is formed also based on the same cartel dispensation criteria that UEFA & UAS were given.
Where does it stop? Price fixing would be rife, & the consumer would ultimately lose out. This is why the EU has anti-competition & cartel laws. As of yet, no one has explained to me why UEFA have a case to be treated any different to the many other industries who'd also love to form their own cartel.
There is the small matter of EU Competition Law. I'd be confident to wagering EU Law, trumps UEFA rules at the ECJ. If UEFA can get away with it, why wouldn't the same cartel dispensations apply to every other industry?A couple of very well made points however you are coming at this soley from the point of view of Man City. In the hypothetical scenario where Man City are challenging FFP in Switzerland or Brussels or wherever UEFA will say they legislate for hundreds of clubs across Europe, just because Man City are the exemption to the rule it doesn't mean the rule should be changed. They will say that legislation has worked and produce mountains of evidence to prove their point. Man City themselves are evidence of a club competing right at the very top of the game while operating within the FFP parameters for the last few years.
Based on where City are now I don't see them going down that route, I think it will end at CAS win lose or draw.
You are looking at that from a Spurs fans point of view though. City will not settle for a loss that's for sure. They were offered a plea bargain and declined it, that says "fuck you we're innocent" to me, I don't know about you.A couple of very well made points however you are coming at this soley from the point of view of Man City. In the hypothetical scenario where Man City are challenging FFP in Switzerland or Brussels or wherever UEFA will say they legislate for hundreds of clubs across Europe, just because Man City are the exemption to the rule it doesn't mean the rule should be changed. They will say that legislation has worked and produce mountains of evidence to prove their point. Man City themselves are evidence of a club competing right at the very top of the game while operating within the FFP parameters for the last few years.
Based on where City are now I don't see them going down that route, I think it will end at CAS win lose or draw.
The Regulations state that the CFCB shall ensure "the equal treatment of all licensees" when carrying out its responsibilities.28 The Joint Statement, referenced above, provides that "it will be vital to have uniform standards of equal and non-discriminatory treatment of all football clubs".29The Arrangement for Co-Operation cites transparency as a key factor in the regulatory framework for football.30Both UEFA and the European institutions make it very clear that transparency and equal treatment are key to fair regulations.
Monaco and it worked for a while :)So if you're banned, you can't qualify & therefore shouldn't be reviewed, & your rolling three year assessment period should be reset.
Great, we can spend a billion on the squad over two years then, as we prepare to return. We cam also offset high wages, with a stupidly high signing on fees too.
Essentially we can press the pause button & go back to playing one/two games a week whilst we build a Playstation Legends team. Mint :-)
I think they will also look at the spirit of the rules in question and whether we deliberately tried to manipulate them. And yes, I know that’s probably what a great number of other clubs do (vis. Bayern and their “partners”), but we were the ones dumb enough to leave a paper trail for the hackers to pin on us
Ceferin himself said it's a big file when asked if the case would be concluded before the start of next season, that can't be just about procedure surely.