COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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The £ is 1.13 Vs the €. This surprised me as we have done nothing yet schools, businesses, roads have been closed in Europe and Bio-hazard units are being craned in to hospitals on the streets of Berlin. I'd have thought the € would have tanked as the continent has more cases. We seem pretty steady V the $

Seems a little odd

Exchange rate movement of sterling weakening against the euro was triggered by the Bank of England base rate cuts to a historic low and the European Central Bank keeping base rates on hold which equals a sell off of the currency
 
I’m supposed to be flying to Cyprus on Saturday, they’ve just moved UK passengers back into category 2 from 3. It says self isolation at home for 14 days but I don’t know if that’s if you test positive at the airport or just if you fly there? I’m only due to be there for 4 nights, do I have to stay? Can I just fly back on my normal flight? Can’t find answers anywhere at the minute. So fucking frustrating.

weren’t their reported cases there recently transmitted from Uk passengers that had recently arrived - could be something to do with that
 
its creating panic because no one trusts a word their saying,how anyone can stand there straight faced and say events and school could be damaging if closed, the only thing that gets damaged in that case is the economy so its versus peoples lives,truly schocking and something i only thought the likes of Hitler could be capable of
Blimey, Boris is Hitler now. Priti Patel is Goebels, Rishi Sunak is Himmler and Nadine Dories is a mass murderer.
 
Unless Karen׳s right and there’s a load of people dying with pneumonia on their death certificate having not been tested.
I really don’t know, and we’ll only find out if the stats for pneumonia and COPD are much higher than usual.
EVERY pneumonia case, in this country at least, will be tested for Coronavirus. People who’ve died from pneumonia, if they haven’t been tested before death and/or had a post mortem, will be swabbed to test for the virus. What this will do is tell you that a deceased person had Coronavirus, not that they necessarily died of it and, as over 25000 people die from pneumonia every year, it’s quite important.
 
As always George a load of bollocks defending Bojo. Even when someone says his scientists seem to be taking a different view on this, than others in their profession from different countries.

It's just fuckin possible you know that they could be advising their government correctly. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
If defending Johnson is solely feeling relief he's not Corbyn I stand guilty as charged :)
 
The current official figure in the UK of 590 suggests that there’s 1 in 100,000 with it. That’s got to be bollocks. I keep hearing of people I vaguely know with it so I reckon there must be tens of thousands. The good news is that I suspect the death figures are probably reasonably accurate so the death rate is probably well under 1%.

I read the current death rate in Italy is 8%
 
It’s also because the worst cases of domestic violence and economic stress in households are during school holidays when kids are at home. A lot of welfare officers in schools don’t want schools closing.

A lot of households can’t afford to feed their kids. Schools open in the Summer holidays in some areas so that families who struggle to afford two to four meals a day for a family can have their kids fed.
I never even considered that and you are, of course, spot on. These are some of the more deeply saddening reasons for it. What a crappy mess this all is.
 
Perhaps you could provide the WHO guidance that contradicts the UK governmental stance? Because on their website they specifically say cancelling all mass gatherings is unnecessary.

They also explicitly say that whether it should go ahead depends on the strain on emergency services - just like the government said today.
Here are a few guidance documents from the Points of Entry and Mass Gathering page on WHO’s COVID-19 Technical Resources website, with passage quoted based on your request. There are many, many elements of those officials guidance documents that could contradict the current government’s assessment — and some that could support it. That is one of the reasons I was saying it depends on which experts you were referring to.

You are right that their general guidance is that it is unnecessary to cancel *all* mass gathering, but that does not mean that *all* mass gatherings are necessary or allowing them to continue based on certain phase of an outbreak would be part of an optimal response strategy focused on containment and/or delay of transmission. It also does not take in to account calculation of overall risk, which is addressed more fully in Chapters 1 and 7 in the Public Health for Mass Gathering: Key Considerations guidance document.

I would have to find direct quotes from WHO and CDC officials that have appeared to contradict the current assessment of the current relative risk based on our government’s stated goal (because we aren’t talking about some abstract guidance on mass gatherings for any sort of outbreak, we are discussing it specifically in the context of recent guidance for COVID-19). Again, our discussion is in the context of now, as things stand, not some time prior to now or some abstract scenario apart from the current situation. But I do recall reading a few that would appear to oppose the assessments of relative risk. I apologise for not being able to present them immediately upon request.

Key planning recommendations for Mass Gatherings in the context of the current COVID-19 outbreak
https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1269109/retrieve

Mass gatherings are highly visible events with the potential for serious public health consequences if they are not planned and managed carefully. There is ample evidence that mass gatherings can amplify the spread of infectious diseases. The transmission of respiratory infections, including influenza, has been frequently associated with mass gatherings.1 Such infections can be transmitted during a mass gathering, during transit to and from the event, and in participants’ home communities upon their return.

Public Health for Mass Gathering: Key Considerations

https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/717805/retrieve
 
its creating panic because no one trusts a word their saying,how anyone can stand there straight faced and say events and school could be damaging if closed, the only thing that gets damaged in that case is the economy so its versus peoples lives,truly schocking and something i only thought the likes of Hitler could be capable of
Think you have gone so far past the line of reason with that last bit that Godwin is waving you back now.
 
Portugal closing all schools for two weeks from Mon
It’s also because the worst cases of domestic violence and economic stress in households are during school holidays when kids are at home. A lot of welfare officers in schools don’t want schools closing.

A lot of households can’t afford to feed their kids. Schools open in the Summer holidays in some areas so that families who struggle to afford two to four meals a day for a family can have their kids fed.
Not to mention A&E and x-ray departments. They're normally overwhelmed in the school hols.
On a more serious note, I'm having to wipe card machines down with anti bacterial floor wipes as they're all the virus vultures have left us on the shelves. I can't say I'm comfortable with it but I have been getting nods of approval for my perceived belt and braces approach.
 
This fucking idiot laughed and joked about Covid-19 with reports and rubbed his hands all over their microphones. He’s not got it and given it a team mate.

 
I think our leaders are playing a blinder.

1. A lot of older people will die. Solves the pension crisis in one.
2. Self isolate for 7 days. In severe cases the virus acts very quickly, by the time you know its bad its to late. Result the NHS is not overloaded.
I guess some people’s definition of playing a blinder differs from others.

This world deserves a fucking plague.
 
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