COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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I’m having surgery later today under general anesthetic. It will leave me vulnerable as I already have a low immune system
 
Marvin said:
This absolutely nails it. China is for me an experiment. Let's hope that China works. If they survive and keep their numbers down then that is the way the whole world goes and it will be gone in a month of draconian isolation.

If it returns then the only thing to do is play the long game and build up immunity. There's also anti-virals. The trouble is when you get to a certain level, which Italy reached some days ago the virus starts to surge. Societies will get forced into the isolation method.

I believe that the UK's approach is actually the best. keep a slow burn for as long as possible to build up immunity, and postpone that peak until you are forced.
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We have a slow burn already. We don't need to accelerate it by continuing with uncontrolled mass gatherings and un-monitored incoming flights from anywhere.
 
One of Italy's top medical chief officers has passed away from it aged 67. You can be pretty sure he recieved the very best treatment with it being detected very early in him. If i am right then i won't lie and say it doesn't bother me. It raises my concern for my mum, aunts, dad etc
 
Blue Hefner said:
For those that think it’s a good idea for the population to get it, because it’s only mild. I posted a clip earlier today where an American professor expressed regret at using the term ‘mild’. This is because ‘mild’ now refers to small symptoms up to pneumonia without the need for oxygen in hospital - that doesn’t sound particularly mild to me
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The population is going to get it sooner or later I suspect. It seems some countries are trying to stop the spread but as soon as they relax those measures it is likely to just start again. Instead of trying to stop it, I guess we are just trying to manage and control it as best we can.

Our approach seems most logical to me but I'm no expert. Time will tell.
 
Ban-jani said:
You won’t get the whole public buying in.

Johnson has hired the top scientists in the country to not only advise him but instruct the public as to why they’re taking these measures and certain agenda driven people have ignored the experts and attacked him.

The same people bemoaning Brexiteers for not believing the experts.
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I disagree about the buy-in. I think people accept that it is ludicrous to carry on with a football competition when the competitors are effected.

This is not a Brexit issue. All the experts in Brexit pointed in one direction, there are global examples and experience here that we could potentially be doing more.

‘Johnson has hired them’* was your key phrase, they won’t want to upset policy of keeping the peasants working as long as possible and keep the tax coming in - I don’t think that’s actually a bad idea, I just think mass gatherings, but particularly the before, during(h/t, interval etc.) are a step too far

He is either going to be very right or very wrong

*I didn’t know they were hired, I thought they just did what they did. I didn’t realise governments brought them in to consultant
 
paulchapo said:
They are fucked mate. They do like they do on a battlefield or a terrorist attack. They treat the ones they think they have more chance of saving and leave the others to die.

My dad is 88 and has to have a minimum five hour operation next week to remove cancerous growths from his bowel. This has come at the worst possible time for him and us. I desperately want to go and see him before the operation but I still have a cough from an horrendous bout of flu in January and I am terrified I will give him an infection. In contrast my stupid sister has decided to book a luxury caravan in Rhyl for a long weekend to cheer them up before the operation. So two people in the high risk age group, one with a serious operation looming are being taken out in public. I am fucking fuming.
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I wish him.well mate. On a positive note, the worst possible time is probably several weeks away. We have hospital capacity at the moment.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
In stead of listening to Ashton you might be better off listening to the governments advise from yesterday as it answered the questions in your first 2 paragraphs.

Mild symptoms. Stay home for 7 days.
Gets worse to the point you would normally see a GP. call 111 or use 111 online.
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I listened to both thanks. I am not 100% convinced Boris and his advisors are getting it right. This allowing mass gatherings as he thinks you are more likely to get infected from someone close to you is totally wrong. In large crowds everyone is close and even closer on transport there and back. People shouting, singing and cursing is more likely to emit saliva into the air increasing the risk of infection even more. We seem to be doing the opposite in a lot of things that other countries are doing. Time will tell who was right.
 
Just got a text from the GPs surgery stating something like

if you experience flu like symptoms, a high fever , persistent cough then regardless of whether you have been in contact with anyone with Covid 19 or your travel history, fucking stay away it’s not our problem. Just fuck off.
 
Ban-jani said:
You won’t get the whole public buying in.

Johnson has hired the top scientists in the country to not only advise him but instruct the public as to why they’re taking these measures and certain agenda driven people have ignored the experts and attacked him.

The same people bemoaning Brexiteers for not believing the experts.
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You were doing so well until the last paragraph and the use of the B word!
 
inbetween said:
The number of serious cases is quite interesting and shows there must be multiple strains or something weird is going on in case reporting:

Italy - 1 in 15
China - 1 in 20
France - 1 in 25
UK - 1 in 30
South Korea - 1 in 100
USA - 1 in 120
Germany 1 in 300

I can understand the government objective in some ways. I think they want to build immunity because it is now inevitable that the vast majority of the population will be infected.

What they want is to spread the infections over a longer period otherwise there'll be hundreds of thousands in intensive care over a short period and the NHS cannot cope with that.

Lockdowns will eventually occur purely to slow the spread but to be honest for healthy young people it is probably ideal for them to get infected, get it out the way and build immunity so they might not get sick again in the future.

If we go into total lockdown then it will fade and come back in a loop like the flu.
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It will probably become endemic anyway, and unless it mutates young people will only get it once either way; whether they get it before or after makes no difference.
 
TCIB said:
I wish you a quick hassle free surgery m'lady. I am sure you will be fine and back to watching sky sports news 24/7 in no time at all :-)
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Sadly in my 12 week ultrasound my baby showed signs of very severe problems including cystic hygroma, gut herniation and fluid in the chest cavity and abdomen. I had a CVS test done and sadly initial result came back positive for Edwards syndrome. I’m extremely sad and upset that it’s over. I have to have the surgical option because my heart can’t take the thought of passing naturally and being in labour for hours. I have a high risk of infection after too

it’s shitty but I guess that’s life
 
Chippy_boy said:
We have a slow burn already. We don't need to accelerate it by continuing with uncontrolled mass gatherings and un-monitored incoming flights from anywhere.
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I agree but the maths means that when you get to 500, the doubling every 4 days means it can't slow burn forever. I suspect that the government wants a controlled peak i.e. when it starts to accelerate they want to control that growth and shift it to the right and down. They've been saying that forever but I thought well look at China. Why don't you just do that? I think they genuinely believe that that wont work. It will just rebound once social contact resumes.

There seems to be two ways of attacking this. Lockdown, or controlled, phased lockdown.

I am very very impressed that China managed to restrict it to one City. That does to me suggest that there is considerable hope that if a society forces a total lockdown and stops social contact, virus levels can drop so low that it wont come back. China is the experiment that the world will watch now.
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
The emeritus professor in the epidemiology of infectious diseases at the University of Nottingham said the measures would help contain the spread of the virus. Plenty of other experts saying similar and reading up on it I understand the logic behind herd immunity. Nobody is being forced to go to mass events, they can choose to stay at home if they wish.
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I understand the herd immunity, though it's obvious it is very minority view at this moment, but for the life of me I don't understand how that professor and anyone else came to thought that not doing anything and continuing as normal could contain the spread of the virus. Not doing anything helps the spread. If that's what they want in regards with herd immunity, than ok (I don't think it's ok, but it's their strategy and ok), but how can they say it will help to contain it and how you or anyone else could accept that?

It's like saying shagging without condom will help contain the HIV and pregnancy.
 
Ban-jani said:
It’s the reporting mate.

It’s nowhere near any of those figures.

There’s thousands in the UK with it who haven’t been tested.
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yup, forget waiting for the numbers of reported infections to come in as they will become more and more meaningless, the government has indirectly told people that unless your a celebrity or politician to stay at home and ride this one out and cross your fingers.
 
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