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goatersnipple said:
According to the bbc.
London is not going into lockdown.
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‘Zero percent’ chance, apparently. In my mind there is absolutely zero chance it won’t do at some point in the very near future

I’ve just popped into Wilmslow. Sainsbury’s is empty but a bar is chocker and there are loads of old folk milling about
 
Chippy_boy said:
Good point. @karen7 mentioned that there will be loads of people here dying in care homes whose deaths go unrecorded and COVID-19 victims. Just "normal" deaths. There's big scope for variation in how countries count the figures.
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I long gave up on the infection figures ,they are not anywhere near accurate,not surprising but true
 
Ban-jani said:
Very good point.

@St.Pauli support

Any news/stories on the ground in Deutschland?
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I can only give you my personal view.

As a fact, we have a very good healthcare system. Right now we have the highest lab test capacity in the world,
we were using it from an early stage.
Our ICU capacity is still more than able to give best support for any critical case.
But we have 33 dead persons (just now) and then you see how difficult covid19 is managable even under good conditions.
That might change, and many hospital workers are really frightened looking some days ahead...

I think, our dark figure of cases is much lower than in other countries because of our strong diagnostics.

Concerning death counts, I would strongly recommend to not look at it like a league table. We are not proud of being in a better situation, we are very sad about conditions in many other countries. Families are devastated, every single one is a tradegy, no matter what nationality. Many friends are discussing if Germany should help in foreign covid hotspots, but we also have to prepare for the unknown wave rolling towards us. A dilemma.

When we want to know more about the mortality rate, you have to come back in 2 years and then we will have an accurate comparable number, differing from country to country.

Doing it now is too early, due to different national, even regional situations. Nobody knows how covid statistics are being handled in German, Italian, Spanish, French, Dutch, Chinese, US or UK hospitals.

Even following case numbers doesn't make much sense anymore when we can't assess the dark figure.

To be clear, if German docs would hide covid death numbers in "underlying conditions" I would be truly shocked but I have no reason to believe that. Critical cases will be tested covid+ and if they die in an ICU bed they certainly will count as covid death. Most cases won't die at home as din't make it to hospital, where the vast majority might make their last breath, or should I say the ventilator did. It's heart breaking.

I clearly see the relatively low German death figure as a consequence of a good healthcare system.
Near future will show if it's able to cope with such a pandemic.
 
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Mayor West said:
Tk maxx is closing all stores for the foreseeable future as of 5pm tonight
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Quick, everyone rush to pick up all of the marked down perfume for sanitiser whilst you still can!

Most of you will do your families a favour with that hoarding, as well.
 
Saw 2 druggies on Rochdale road harpurhey yesterday they were smacked out of their heads and had a operating mask on each. Had to laugh probably share needles have taken every drug known to mankind but didn’t want to catch the virus, one had his mask lobsided the other had made a hole in it so he could smoke haha
 
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give it to gordon said:
We arent happy about it ....she didn't find out until she got to work than her lad rung her. She than came into the tearoom and told us , we told her to get out and go home , she did after about 5 minutes of us saying go home. She than walked around the town for an hour and a half before telling the office, who sent her home. The lad that gave her a lift was in close contact with us as he didnt tell us he gave her a lift until half an hour later.....now we have been told to carry on working with only her been sent home ....I am not happy about this
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Then as well as her wanting a good slap,so does your boss mate.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Tell her to **** off and come back with a real board game.

I mean, at least Carcassonne or Settlers, FFS.

Pandemic would be the most useful, though. ;-)
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I like the board games with the clicky dice in the dome so you don't have to fag the dice when they fall under furniture.
 
karen7 said:
I long gave up on the infection figures ,they are not anywhere near accurate,not surprising but true
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I agree Karen on the infection figures but I am not sure about @Chippy_boy 's claim that deaths in care homes will just be recorded as normal deaths. I am pretty sure that many care homes will be following end of life care protocols and be recording the cause of death, eg linking in with local GPs etc as appropriate. There may well come a time when services are so swamped that standard approaches go out of the window.
 
St.Pauli support said:
I can only give you my personal view.

As a fact, we have a very good healthcare system. Right now we have the highest lab test capacity in the world,
we were using it from an early stage.
Our ICU capacity is still more than able to give best support for any critical case.
But we have 33 dead persons and then you see how difficult covid19 is managable even under good conditions.
That might change, and many hospital workers are really frightened looking some days ahead...

I think, our dark figure of cases is much lower than in other countries because of our strong diagnostics.

Concerning death counts, I would strongly recommend to not look at it like a league table. We are not proud of being in a better situation, we are very sad about conditions in many other countries. Families are devastated, every single one is a tradegy, no matter what nationality. Many friends are discussing if Germany should help in foreign covid hotspots, but we also have to prepare for the unknown wave rolling towards us. A dilemma.

When we want to know more about the mortality rate, you have to come back in 2 years and then we will have an accurate comparable number, differing from country to country.

Doing it now is too early, due to different national, even regional situations. Nobody knows how covid statistics are being handled in German, Italian, Spanish, French, Dutch, Chinese, US or UK hospitals.

Even following case numbers doesn't make much sense anymore when we can't assess the dark figure.

To be clear, if German docs would hide covid death numbers in "underlying conditions" I would be truly shocked but I have no reason to believe that. Critical cases will be tested covid+ and if they die in an ICU bed they certainly will count as covid death. Most cases won't die at home as din't make it to hospital, where the vast majority might make their last breath, or should I say the ventilator did. It's heart breaking.

I clearly see the relatively low German death figure as a consequence of a good healthcare system.
Near future will show if it's able to cope with such a pandemic.
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Thanks for clarifying mate, that’s perfectly understandable.

I wasn’t suggesting they were hiding anything on purpose, it might just be a different way of giving a reason for the death.

I agree about the league table point, I think people are just looking to elsewhere to see what we can do better.
 
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