A lot can change in 25 years but the feeling of loss of prestige and certainly the loss of serious revenue never changes over time so it should now be asked why clubs, especially Everton, and others who were banned from Europe for five seasons, did not launch compensation claims against Liverpool following the behaviour of their supporters at Heysel.
Well, it was 35 years ago and tbh football was a very different sport in the administrative and financial sense. It was in a deep depression following on from Bradford and Heysel within weeks of each other. Crowds plummeted over the next few seasons and I suspect there was a feeling that Liverpool FC should not be held totally accountable for the actions of some of their supporters, especially given the crumbling shambles that was the Heysel Stadium itself and the insane allocation of tickets that led to both sets of fans being in the same section of terracing. Also the ban on English clubs wasn't just down to Liverpool fans, there had been a succession of incidents in Europe over the years involving supporters of English clubs, Heysel was just the culmination of that.A lot can change in 25 years but the feeling of loss of prestige and certainly the loss of serious revenue never changes over time so it should now be asked why clubs, especially Everton, and others who were banned from Europe for five seasons, did not launch compensation claims against Liverpool following the behaviour of their supporters at Heysel.
The last I recall, the ECJ told the Bosman Lawyer to go through the Belgian courts, exhaust that process & then appeal to the ECJ.
I know City didn't want to be the catalyst which brought down FFP & UEFA/G14, but in my mind we have absolutely nothing to lose by going nuclear against the lot of them.
Surely this course of action is on City's agenda?
Ceferin also stated that the Investigatory and Adjudicating panel were completely independent of UEFA.That's the point. He's desperately trying to avoid that very thing happening. UEFA is two organisations effectively. It's a bureaucracy, which organises competitions and supposedly enforces the rules and regulations that it's enacted itself. And it's also a member driven organisation, with a cabal of self-serving clubs at the centre who seem to be able to direct and control the enactment and enforcement of those rules and regulations and the structure and format of the competitions. Ceferin has little effective control but he wants to steer the least damaging course. That's not an option anymore though. It's all-out war now.
That's why Soriano said what he said, about not having any beef with UEFA. He was making it clear that our battle wasn't with the bureaucratic bit but with some of the member clubs.
I think it is. In fact I'm sure it is. I completely understand the point @mayo31 made, as we've seen no concrete action from City as yet. But the mood in Abu Dhabi is very ugly. Their honour has been trashed and the good names of people like Khaldoon and the Sheikh have been dragged through the mud. We have Chinese investors, including those backed by the state. Both countries have very efficient intelligence services. The UAE & Israel are extremely close, which I've heard from a couple of very sensitive & reliable sources, as are the UAE and USA. Favours are being called in I'm told.
The owner of a Sports Marketing business which has no revenue coming in, or a load of heavily-indebted, downmarket malls, can't match that sort of power. This is just my idea but if I was Khaldoon or Sheikh Mansour, I'd be looking to buy the mortgages on those malls. And I'd be looking to see if they were supported by personal guarantees and, if not, I'd want those in place when the inevitable recession comes along. Because the only thing the Glazers have, which they could use for that, is their United shares. That's if they're not using them for that already, which I suspect they are. And then I'd call those loans in and, when they couldn't pay, I'd take the shares. And then the fun would really start.
They aren't independent though. Both are appointed by UEFA even though they may not be full-time employees (although the Investigstpry Chamber members might be). And Ceferin clearly felt he could get us a deal while the cas3 was with the Adjudicatory Chamber, which hardly make the case for them being truly independent.Ceferin also stated that the Investigatory and Adjudicating panel were completely independent of UEFA.
A distancing move?
I remember his unconvincing Sky interview regarding the case
Peter Sutcliffe's lawyer wasn't head of Uefa.
A leper can’t change its spots.Nope. City are leper’s. Alas, successful lepers and that makes me giggle just that little bit more.
just a thought, mate, thinking back to Gill being inducted to oversee FFP as the cartel didn’t believe UEFA were going far enough. Once inducted, things changed.They aren't independent though. Both are appointed by UEFA even though they may not be full-time employees (although the Investigstpry Chamber members might be). And Ceferin clearly felt he could get us a deal while the cas3 was with the Adjudicatory Chamber, which hardly make the case for them being truly independent.
But I think you could be right. He was picking up Soriano's cue possibly.
Uefa have recently forwarded CAS everything from the Der Spiegel articles.
They have NOTHING first hand, it's truly unbelievable.
Staggering.