COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[oddfellows]

Awful situation in Spain.

Belgium and the Netherlands were said to be struggling yesterday and it looks like they are.

More died in Netherlands than in Germany

 

[Chippy_boy]

Really? By that same notion should we be doing that with all the shopping we are bringing into the house?

Depends how quickly you want to use your shopping. The virus will be dead in 2 or 3 days anyway, so if you have tins of stuff you are not planning on touching for that period then there is no need.

 

[Ban-jani]

I believe the 200k/250k was the figure they said was possible if the government had continued with their initial strategy. By getting the government to change its initial strategy to the model we are now following they said the figures could be limited to 20k deaths max instead. This 5.7k figure you refer to, [which i havnt seen], seems within this, albeit @ lower end of the 20k max they forecast.

I have posted the passage from the Times on the previous page mate, stating the 5,700 figure.

These things are usually in the middle so I think, just off the top of my non-expert head, possibly 10,000-15,000?

Let’s hope it’s as close to the lower end as possible and there’s no second fucking wave of it.

 

[Chippy_boy]

You could just open your post and then wash your hands, of course.

Tricky trying to read the newspaper for an hour or so though, isn't it.

I only mention it in case anyone thinks doing same would help. Everyone to their own.

 

[mexico1970]

Another thing worth mentioning:

I have just put the post and the newspaper in the oven for 30 minutes. Apparently Coronaviruses are rendered non-infectious by 30 minutes at 75C, so I am giving it 30 minutes at 90C to be safe.

Provided you don't have a gas oven and you keep your post/newspaper well away from any heating element, this might seem like an easy and worthwhile precaution. 75C isn't going to set fire to anything.

The survival abilities on the surfaces of eight different materials and in water were quite comparable, revealing reduction of infectivity after 72 to 96 h exposure. Viruses stayed stable at 4 degrees C, at room temperature (20 degrees C) and at 37 degrees C for at least 2 h without remarkable change in the infectious ability in cells, but were converted to be non-infectious after 90-, 60- and 30-min exposure at 56 degrees C, at 67 degrees C and at 75 degrees C, respectively.

https://europepmc.org/article/med/14631830

I wash my hands with sanitiser before I open my mail and packages and then throw the outer wrappers in the bin, I wash my hands again remembering to not touch my face through the procedure bud, but whatever steps you are taking at least you are taking them.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Tricky trying to read the newspaper for an hour or so though, isn't it.

I only mention it in case anyone thinks doing same would help. Everyone to their own.

Fair enough, although I did only say open your post.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Depends how quickly you want to use your shopping. The virus will be dead in 2 or 3 days anyway, so if you have tins of stuff you are not planning on touching for that period then there is no need.

I had a tesco delivery this morning. They are bagging everything now to make it quicker for them. Decided to just put away the fridge and freezer stuff, focusing on not touching anywhere near my face. Washed my hands afterwards. The rest is still in the bags, going to leave it for how long? then put it away. I don’t know if that’s under-cautious, over-cautious, or about right.

 

[squirtyflower]

Will that trend continue ie will those deaths be supplementary to the CV ones?
Alternatively maybe the most vulnerable have finite number each year so non fatal attacks will increase?

I suppose we’d have to wait and see.
People who die of flu are mainly the vulnerable with underlying medical issues. So it could be that you were already susceptible to catching and dying of flu so die of Covid instead?

 

[squirtyflower]

Since 2014/15 the average was estimated at 17000 deaths from flu. The range was between 1692 in 2018/19 and 28330 in 2014/15. In fact, if you take out the very small 2018/19 number the average for the remaining four years is 21000. Over the winter period of December to March, when the peak influenza season is reached, that’s 4 months of about 175 people, per day succumbing to flu and the NHS being under huge ‘winter’ pressures.

I’m not going to argue the point with you as I don’t collect the stats.
However I looked them up on the ONS website and that’s what it worked out at.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Those values were based on NO intervention at all. That was never the government strategy. It was reported as such by idiots who didn't read the published papers and just jumped on the figure.

No they were not!

The 200,000 deaths figure was based on the strategy the government was following to "flatten the curve". AND the 200,000 deaths figure assumed we have enough ICU capacity and yet stated we did not by a factor of 8.

That is why the government did such a whopper of a U-turn immediately. If we did nothing at all, then 50m people or more would get this and something like 1m would probably die from it with the NHS completely overloaded and hundreds of thousands dying because of no capacity to treat them.

 

[paulchapo]

Some interesting news, hopefully it works.

 

[ballbag]

My hands are red raw and cracked to fuck after becoming an amphibian. Been looking after my mum for the last year or two (COPD on oxygen 16 hours a day) so I'm taking the cleaning to whole new levels whilst i work from home (Telecoms/IT anyone?). I feel like a prison warden dishing out orders...."Don't touch that, it ain't clean yet!", "Stop putting the bags on the table. I've just disinfected it".

She can't get out of the house and hasn't been able to walk more than 10 metres without having to stop for 10 minutes for a while. So the 12 weeks isolation she's got the letter about is ok as far as social distancing goes. But its heartbreaking to not let the grandkids in and my sisters are dropping off the shopping, but so hard to not be able to hug and thank them for helping.

Absolutely bricking it about me being the reason my Mum might catch it. Don't feel like I've got any option but to live in isolation for 12 weeks too.

 

[hgblue]

No they were not!

The 200,000 deaths figure was based on the strategy the government was following to "flatten the curve". AND the 200,000 deaths figure assumed we have enough ICU capacity and yet stated we did not by a factor of 8.

That is why the government did such a whopper of a U-turn immediately. If we did nothing at all, then 50m people or more would get this and something like 1m would probably die from it with the NHS completely overloaded and hundreds of thousands dying because of no capacity to treat them.

You mean the government had a policy, listened to expert advice, then changed the policy? These latest projections are hugely encouraging, and if they come to pass will have been achieved thanks to the policies implemented by the government.
Edit. Should have also added thanks to the hard work and dedication of our health service front line workers, and the attitude of the great British public in following the guidelines.

 

[Phil1]

You mean the government had a policy, listened to expert advice, then changed the policy? These latest projections are hugely encouraging, and if they come to pass will have been achieved thanks to the policies implemented by the government.

After reading your posts on here over last couple of years it's clear you would defend the government regardless of what measures they do or don't imement.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Worse than running out of beer!
Surely you meant bogrolls

I know what I meant.

 

[hgblue]

After reading your posts on here over last couple of years it's clear you would defend the government regardless of what measures they do or don't imement.

I think this forum can cope with at least one person who posts in support of the government. There’s enough of you queuing up to give it a good kicking.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Tricky trying to read the newspaper for an hour or so though, isn't it.

I only mention it in case anyone thinks doing same would help. Everyone to their own.

newspaper. They are still printing and delivering newspapers. How the fuck is that essential or sensible ?

People can get news off the internet and the TV, do your bit and cancel your newspapers . Imagine the supply chain needed to get to you your hour of reading you could have just as easily got on your iPad.

 

[Phil1]

I think this forum can cope with at least one person who posts in support of the government. There’s enough of you queuing up to give it a good kicking.

Personally I'm going to wait until there's evidence he made the right calls before I offer my gratitude and praise. Would love nothing more to do so down the line. As it stands I think we are way too early into this to call it one way or another.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I think this forum can cope with at least one person who posts in support of the government. There’s enough of you queuing up to give it a good kicking.

don’t worry mate, Boris could find a cure and vaccine in the next week and people will still criticise him for not finding it sooner.

 

[Phil1]

don’t worry mate, Boris could find a cure and vaccine in the next week and people will still criticise him for not finding it sooner.

They would be idiots in that case.