COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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BlueAnorak said:
You do know we've done more tests than France? 120k v 78k and we've done 3 times the amount of tests as Japan. Japan are mainly doing the family isolation and separation thing.
Only South Korea and Germany have swamped the test thing. Italy has only upped their game over the last few weeks. As to Spain, we don't know, they don't publish their testing figures.
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Gelsons Dad said:
Those values were based on NO intervention at all. That was never the government strategy. It was reported as such by idiots who didn't read the published papers and just jumped on the figure.
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He recently reconfirmed his original mortality rate was twice 250k figure quoted above, eg massive 510, 000 in the UK based on NO intervention. The 20,000 max is with the lockdown, social distancing we finally implemented. The 200/250k [actually 260k] deaths is attrìbuted to initial strategy followed. On hearing fergusons current strategy assumption of 260k deaths thats when government implemented the new restrictions based on his modelling to reduce deaths to 20k max. Indeed the "reduced" 20k max deaths was the figure that government advisor heralded as a good outcome [eg not 260k] which can be achieved following new modelling restrictions implemented.

Obviously I've no idea on which or any of his positions are anywhere near the truth. However, it was clear government significantly revised its strategy based on his 260k to 20k max mortality numbers.
 
Article on the BBC saying that some patients from Italy and France have been flown to Germany for extra medical care. Maybe because their hospitals are stuffed, or maybe, and I'm only guessing here, is that these patients are young, possibly children with no underlying conditions and the task is to save their lives using German ventilators.
 
Marvin said:
Found this interesting. OK sneezing and coughing is obvious but speaking?

I don't wear a mask but when you read that perhaps we all should. Droplets shouldn't be able to penetrate a mask and yet we were told that only health workers need them.

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Those in the far east wear a mask for a reason: To stop the wearer spreading a virus.
It is essential for travelling on public transport and work where you have to be closer to your collegues than two meters.
People keep telling me I'm taking rubbish.
The economy can't be restarted without using them, so there will be an announcement in due course.
 
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BosnianBlue said:
yes, but still less than yesterday. Other countries are on similar levels as yesterday too. Only if USA explodes later, we might some significant rise in deaths compared to yesterday.
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I understand what you are saying and yes if you look at it one way atleast confirmed cases seem down, but I just don’t see any positives in Italy.

they aren’t testing most people, so it’s very difficult to judge if it’s positive news or not. It’s not really going down in significant numbers either.

the south of Italy is seeing more cases/deaths aswell. I know I’m looking at it from a very negative viewpoint though and I should share your view
 
My lad (my only child) has been living and working in the Czech Republic since 2016. My long time latent anxiety is now kicking in big time, as the government there have intimated they will close their borders for up to 2 years. years if necessary
Separation of loved ones is one of the hardest things to bear with this :-(
 
Blue Hefner said:
I’ve not read anything in regard the EU policy but both of these statements cannot be true

1) Unelected EU bureaucrats making up and imposing laws on people

2) Unelected EU bureaucrats not imposing laws across the board to stop the spread

From what I have seen, individual countries chose to close their borders when they saw fit and the EU are bulk buying medical devices, PPE etc for a more coordinated approach. Something which States in the US are crying out for I.e better buying power and not competing and bidding against each other

Anyway, it makes no odds to us what the EU do or don’t do
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Have we got to the bottom of our not joining in with the EU procurement scheme?

2 days ago "The programme, set up by the European Commission, uses the bulk-buying power of the 500 million person single market to get priority for ventilators and protective equipment – which doctors have warned are in short supply in the UK amid a time of extreme global demand. Britain was invited to participate in the EU scheme because it is still in the Brexit transition period and being given the advantages of a member state, but turned the offer down. Downing Street has however offered no coherent explanation for the refusal to join – leading critics to suspect the prime minister's own ideological and political concerns are keeping the UK out."

Now "Downing Street" say they never got the message!
 
Vic said:
Have we got to the bottom of our not joining in with the EU procurement scheme?

2 days ago "The programme, set up by the European Commission, uses the bulk-buying power of the 500 million person single market to get priority for ventilators and protective equipment – which doctors have warned are in short supply in the UK amid a time of extreme global demand. Britain was invited to participate in the EU scheme because it is still in the Brexit transition period and being given the advantages of a member state, but turned the offer down. Downing Street has however offered no coherent explanation for the refusal to join – leading critics to suspect the prime minister's own ideological and political concerns are keeping the UK out."

Now "Downing Street" say they never got the message!
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One of boris's mistakes,i am sure people would not have shouted brexit at him if he had gone with them on this,going our own way on the whole thing has been stupid
 
Ambulance outside house this morning as our neighbor was unwell ( not the virus) and needed hospital intervention.
Watching the medics put all the gear on before they entered was an eye opener but what hit home for us was when they took her away, her husband just standing there when the doors closed and she was gone.
Protocol is such that you can't go with them and no visitors, imagine one of your own going this way, not knowing if you will ever see them again.
Definitely brought home the reality of what may be around the corner.
Just glad it wasn't the virus and
hopefully she will be home tomorrow.
 
Vic said:
Have we got to the bottom of our not joining in with the EU procurement scheme?

2 days ago "The programme, set up by the European Commission, uses the bulk-buying power of the 500 million person single market to get priority for ventilators and protective equipment – which doctors have warned are in short supply in the UK amid a time of extreme global demand. Britain was invited to participate in the EU scheme because it is still in the Brexit transition period and being given the advantages of a member state, but turned the offer down. Downing Street has however offered no coherent explanation for the refusal to join – leading critics to suspect the prime minister's own ideological and political concerns are keeping the UK out."

Now "Downing Street" say they never got the message!
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We have joined it - just a few days late.
 
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