COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[UUJblue]

At 3 weeks and 2 days since the first death
Numbers -
UK deaths - 1415
Italy - 2158 (10779 today)
Spain - 831 (7340)

Next few days very critical as both countries jumped significantly after this.

 

[ancoats]

Or you could be bullshitting

hahaha matey

i would not lie about this and the virus i had was bad enough to knock you off your feet. and sounds very much like what everybody saying that the cornavirus is and the trouble in breathing. trust me i don't bullshit and i am a asthmatic and not being to breath freely is a common thing. but this was more than anything asthma has every been like / its the heaviness of the chest and lungs feel on fire. matey if it was not cornavirus then am a dutch man

 

[paulchapo]

The Canaries have been told they will be on lockdown until the end of April but cases there are starting to slow.

 

[andyhinch]

hahaha matey

i would not lie about this and the virus i had was bad enough to knock you off your feet. and sounds very much like what everybody saying that the cornavirus is and the trouble in breathing. trust me i don't bullshit and i am a asthmatic and not being to breath freely is a common thing. but this was more than anything asthma has every been like / its the heaviness of the chest and lungs feel on fire. matey if it was not cornavirus then am a dutch man

It was my lungs on fire that really got me, never had anything like it, swallowing even liquids was a nightmare

 

[meltonblue]

A rough timeline.....

The Chinese authorities issued a bulletin on the 31/12/2019. Translation below. The next day the seafood market in Wuhan was shutdown.

Wuhan Municipal Health and Health Commission's briefing on the current pneumonia epidemic situation in our city Published by: Wuhan Municipal Health Commission | Published: 2019-12-31 13:38:05 | Hits: 467905 | Font size: Large Middle Small Recently, some medical institutions found that many of the pneumonia cases received were related to South China Seafood City. After receiving the report, the Municipal Health and Health Commission immediately launched a case search and retrospective investigation related to South China Seafood City in the city's medical health institutions. Twenty-seven cases have been found, of which 7 are in serious condition, and the remaining cases are stable and controllable. Two patients are expected to be discharged in the near future. The clinical manifestations of the cases were mainly fever, a few patients had difficulty breathing, and chest radiographs showed bilateral lung infiltrative lesions. At present, all cases have been isolated for treatment, follow-up investigations and medical observations of close contacts are ongoing, and hygiene investigations and environmental sanitation disposals for South China Seafood City are ongoing.

Wuhan organized consultations with clinical medical, epidemiological, and virological experts from Tongji Hospital, Provincial CDC, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan Infectious Diseases Hospital, and Wuhan CDC. According to the analysis of epidemiological investigations and preliminary laboratory tests, the above cases are considered to be viral pneumonia. The investigation so far has not found any obvious human-to-human transmission and no medical staff infection. Detection of the pathogen and investigation of the cause of the infection are ongoing. Viral pneumonia is more common in winter and spring, and can be spread or outbreak. The clinical manifestations are fever, soreness, dyspnea in a small part, and lung infiltration. Viral pneumonia is related to the virulence of the virus, the route of infection, and the age and immune status of the host. Viruses that cause viral pneumonia are common with influenza viruses, others are parainfluenza viruses, cytomegaloviruses, adenoviruses, rhinoviruses, and coronaviruses. Confirmation depends on pathogenic tests, including virus isolation, serological tests, and viral antigen and nucleic acid tests. The disease is preventable and controllable, and indoor air circulation is prevented to prevent public places and closed places where there is no air circulation. People can wear masks when going out. Symptomatic treatment is the main clinical practice, and bed rest is required. If you have the above symptoms, especially the persistent fever, you should go to the medical institution in time.

The first bulletin from the WHO...... by this time there had been 47 cases and 1 death. Less than 2 weeks after the above notice.

https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/



From the BBC....Doctor Li the doctor initially castigated by Chinese officials.

Yep, they then shared the genome around 10th January.

The biggest issue to me is more the WHO guidance after China went into lockdown, particularly around international travel.

 

[robbieh]

Lots of people with these views don't read the Mail - my mrs would piss herself if I quoted anything from that nonsense (don't mind the sports section though). We are dealing with known knowns here, everything else in my opinion is a muddying of the waters by integrating Western response times with the calling out of the CCP (again - see SARS 2002 - They eventually admitted themselves they were lying). It's just one PR machine.

I imagine the Chinese could well be responsible for covering up initially. I suppose my point was that this is not specifically a Chinese government trait.
When they had the train bomb attack in Madrid years ago, the government decided to blame ETA, despite evidence to the contrary. And the UK and US and everybody else do the same sort of thing, often using the phrase in the interests of national security.

 

[ancoats]

The problem is that 1 person in the world had this on 17 November. 2 months later hundreds of thousands has it and 60m people were in lockdown to stop the spread.

If you had this virus in November, you would have given it to a minimum of 3 other people. And they'd have gotten ill and given it to 3 people. And so on and so on.

And if that happened, people would have been dying of pneumonia at an unprecedented rate in the UK in November, which didn't happen.

i got it in december christmas time i now that because i missed the 2 games at home to everton and sheff utd and funny enough the lady i sit next to also come down with it and missed the 2 games and she does not live near me ? so maybe we both got it and spread it at the games ?? i just don't know what it was but if like anything you are saying about spreading it going to football would be worst than anything else

 

[Chippy_boy]

hahaha matey

i would not lie about this and the virus i had was bad enough to knock you off your feet. and sounds very much like what everybody saying that the cornavirus is and the trouble in breathing. trust me i don't bullshit and i am a asthmatic and not being to breath freely is a common thing. but this was more than anything asthma has every been like / its the heaviness of the chest and lungs feel on fire. matey if it was not cornavirus then am a dutch man

If it was around Christmas time mate, you had flu. End of.

 

[KS55]

Wouldn’t be surprising if it started within an army.

There was an allied base at Etaples, in which mixed pigs, chickens, and humans in close proximity. Hence one theory, amongst several.

 

[i8rags]

That has literally nothing to do with what I posted.

If I call you an English **** then the law would come down as hard on me as if I called you a white **** or a Caucasian ****.

Saying “but Chinese isn’t a race” so referring to nationality can’t be racism is incorrect.

Good job you can’t be nicked for just saying ****, you’d be fucked.

 

[i8rags]

hahaha matey

i would not lie about this and the virus i had was bad enough to knock you off your feet. and sounds very much like what everybody saying that the cornavirus is and the trouble in breathing. trust me i don't bullshit and i am a asthmatic and not being to breath freely is a common thing. but this was more than anything asthma has every been like / its the heaviness of the chest and lungs feel on fire. matey if it was not cornavirus then am a dutch man

Mate, stop explaining yourself. You had an illness, your entitled to hold an opinion as to what it was. Move on or you’ll be at it all night on here.

 

[ancoats]

It was my lungs on fire that really got me, never had anything like it, swallowing even liquids was a nightmare

why would i lie ?? it was bad and yes everything you say is true and am 100% to back it up to prove it if i can ? and others also had it are they all bullshitting. just because you find it hard to believe me you jump and call it bullshit ?? sorry matey wrong

 

[jay_mcfc]

At 3 weeks and 2 days since the first death
Numbers -
UK deaths - 1415
Italy - 2158 (10779 today)
Spain - 831 (7340)

Next few days very critical as both countries jumped significantly after this.

Very interesting. No. of deaths have reduced significantly in the UK the past couple of days. Let's hope it continues.

 

[ancoats]

Mate, stop explaining yourself. You had an illness, your entitled to hold an opinion as to what it was. Move on or you’ll be at it all night on here.

your right matey

am done with this

 

[andyhinch]

why would i lie ?? it was bad and yes everything you say is true and am 100% to back it up to prove it if i can ? and others also had it are they all bullshitting. just because you find it hard to believe me you jump and call it bullshit ?? sorry matey wrong

Are you quoting the right post ?

 

[BlueAnorak]

Incidently it was reported ay lunch time on the BBC News Channel that UK death stats don't include folks who have died at home.
The ONS will be reporting weekly death stats from now on as a catch up measure.
My former colleagues are also telling me that NHS England has fucked up its reporting of deaths till the change was made in the reporting process last week. Minor stuff, but a bit of an embarrasment for certain Hospital Trusts.

 

[Phil1]

If it was around Christmas time mate, you had flu. End of.

Same thing isn’t it?

 

[Mikeegrini]

Yep, they then shared the genome around 10th January.

The biggest issue to me is more the WHO guidance after China went into lockdown, particularly around international travel.

I'd have like to highlight some parts but for some reason I couldn't. Anyway, there appears to be some opposing points Dr Li, was warning of H2H transmission on 30/12, the bulletin from the Chinese in Wuhan the next day states it's not a problem. Reading the full release from the WHO it apears to have been pretty much copy and paste from the Chinese bulletin.

I'd agree about the guidance from the WHO , from what I can remember, it was something along the lines of it causes more problems than good! Astounding in reflection.

Edit by end of Dec there had been 27 cases 7 serious.

 

[Djibrilshairdo]

I see our biggest concern as unchecked flight arrivals. Most major cities are showing many flight cancellations particularly where international flights are concerned and their cases / deaths are declining a good deal more significantly than ours. It’s still a fucking free for all at our airports.

 

[purplenose]

If it was around Christmas time mate, you had flu. End of.

Not convinced Chippy mate, I think it might have got here just before Xmas with people coming from China. I had something suspicious at the beginning of Feb that took a good three weeks to throw off, and it was mild. I am convinced I either picked it up in Malaga or at the airport coming back where I sat in the middle of about 200 italians waiting for a flight with Milan.

The more I hear the more I think there is a chance I have had the bugger.

If it does turn out that I did have it I will consider myself extremely lucky to have got off so lightly and only the fact I would rarely be at all lucky makes me think it was something else.