COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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seeing that a world famous neurosurgeon in NYC has died from it, a very cruel question but are we losing too many valuable medical personnel? Is the collateral damage in our core medical services worse than losing initial patients?

If we get a second wave in the winter, and we no longer have many expert personnel around, it's going to be much worse for everyone else and it'll take an awful long time to train new talent up to gain the skill sets and experience needed.
 
Vic said:
"Now, Mr Jani, you say there is correspondence between doctors in Taiwan and Wuhan. Have you seen this correspondence or is it hearsay?"

"Have you got anything contemporaneous to suggest that the Taiwanese Centres for Disease Control knew more than they were putting in official press releases?"

I couldn't be bothered dismembering your argument again hence the brevity. How can "I hope you're never on a jury" possibly be incorrect?
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Hearsay is one of the most misunderstood concepts in the Kingdom.
 
BosnianBlue said:
Belgium and Netherlands are pretty bad too. 192 and 175 deaths yesterday and they're not that big countries.
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Haven't checked for Belgium, but the number of new cases in the Netherlands has been dropping from a current high on March 27th of 1,172.

March 28th 1,159
March 29th 1,104
March 30th 884
March 31st 845

Where there is capacity, some German hospitals near the border are also taking and offering to take Dutch patients.
 
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germans took italians and french too. Not huge number and it looks a bit like PR exercise for them and EU, but they did, fair play to them.
 
It comes as a shock to know that there are ONLY 2000 or so garden centres in the country. I know of 6 around where I live
 
Presumably because card payment has become preferred in most places recently, my Spanish bank has temporarily raised the pin requirement from 20euro to 50euro.
Good.point I suppose to ensure gloved fingers when entering a pin.

Thieves will also be happy I suppose.
 
route46 said:
How did the world rid itself of the Spanish flu?
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I don’t think it mutated much so once it had been round the population it ran out of people to infect.

SARS-CoV-2 has been around humans for three months and it’s mutated at least 8 times already.

This could be with us for a long time.
 
domalino said:
If we are in this lockdown/isolation for about a month then it should almost die out - everyone with the virus will have either recovered or..not.

And then in theory if you have some of the restrictions still in place like no school, and people really adhere to the principles of staying at home if anyone gets sick in their household, you can get on top of and smother any outbreaks as they occur.

That will eventually fail, and we will probably be back in lockdown, but it might give us a month of semi-normality that keeps everyone sane.

The ICL model had a system where you lifted controls or put them back in place based on the number of new intensive care cases per week across the country. Once it gets to a certain point, you lock down again and then ride out the wave that comes post-lockdown.

Eventually through doing that we'll treat a lot of people in good (ie not overflowing) hospital conditions and kill time before effective treatments or vaccines.
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How does any economy sustain itself in that stop-start scenario? I agree with your prediction and have previously asked about what phase 2 may entail, but if you couple this scenario with the predicted timelines for a vaccine (assuming we can create one) then we are talking about remodelling the very commercial infrastructures we have built for some time; assuming you're talking about building up to a significant portion of the global population having immunity (and again assuming we have immunity for a sustained period).
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
I don’t think it mutated much so once it had been round the population it ran out of people to infect.

SARS-CoV-2 has been around humans for three months and it’s mutated at least 8 times already.

This could be with us for a long time.
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8 times! Fucking hell that’s crap.
 
Gabriel said:
Encouraging to see Johnson & Johnson is confident that it has a possible vaccine and is seeking to start using it in September. A long way off yet and much work to be done, but any good news should be welcomed.
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I thought it read, human trials in September
 
Ban-jani said:
I’ve been PM’ing a poster on here and he’s just shared a video with me of a Korean Doctor. In the video he states immunity isn’t guaranteed and there’ve seen numbers of people coming back with symptoms, after already having it and recovering days earlier.

Does anyone know more?

This is potentially awful for European strategy.
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Very unlikely, watched a video with Dr Fauci and Dr Mike (Youtuber Doctor, decent guy actually) and they both said they don't know of a virus yet where some level of immunity isn't formed after having it.

More likely that the testing was inaccurate, false positives and what not.
 
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