COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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creditunionhero said:
Friends have just got the death certificate for a parent, there was no mention of covid 19 on it, yet they were told he had it in hospital?

I also know someone who caught the covid 19 whilst in hospital, just before they were due to be discharged. The doctors have asked to put her on end of life care, they will not put her on a ventilator.
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That's so fking sad mate..
 
I don't think the deaths could double in 24 hours at these numbers. UK numbers are all over the shop and I don't think it's for only 24 hours, just as those dips that were happening at times weren't the real numbers too. You cant go to half, than to double in 2 days, the rise is fairly regular everywhere.
 
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MCFC1993 said:
The testing is still the biggest issue.

We have to test our way out of this crisis, unfortunately the below is happening:


Part of me thinks we're too late though, if we're hoping to get to 25,000 tests by the end of April then that just seems far too slow.
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Yeah, agreed. The reported number of cases in the UK has now become completely meaningless, of zero value.

The reality is we have many, many more infections than that number, but since we have no idea whether it's 5x, 10x, 50x or 100x more, the number is meaningless. What I will say is that the US - which has been ramping up testing big time - now has about 7x the number of *known* infections compared to us and yet a similar death rate. Are we 7x worse at treating our patients? I would imagine not.
 
Looking at number of critical and severe cases, I guess Spain will overtake Italy by number of deaths on the end.
 
I’d guess we are just being lazy and expecting to procure testing kits from abroad, no doubt part of Boris’ chat with Trump.
 
MCFC1993 said:
The testing is still the biggest issue.

We have to test our way out of this crisis, unfortunately the below is happening:


Part of me thinks we're too late though, if we're hoping to get to 25,000 tests by the end of April then that just seems far too slow.
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Just clicked on that and further down it states/a clip supposedly
Chinese medics have just arrived in London to help us fight Covid-19. The media won’t tell you for some reason.

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Chippy_boy said:
Yeah, agreed. The reported number of cases in the UK has now become completely meaningless, of zero value.

The reality is we have many, many more infections than that number, but since we have no idea whether it's 5x, 10x, 50x or 100x more, the number is meaningless. What I will say is that the US - which has been ramping up testing big time - now has about 7x the number of *known* infections compared to us and yet a similar death rate. Are we 7x worse at treating our patients? I would imagine not.
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Getting to the point where a lack of resources, staff etc... is almost inadvertently forcing us down the herd immunity route, as the testing route becomes less effective.
 
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BosnianBlue said:
I don't think the deaths could double in 24 hours at these numbers. UK numbers are all over the shop and I don't think it's for only 24 hours, just as those dips that were happening at times weren't the real numbers too. You cant go to half, than to double in 2 days, the rise is fairly regular everywhere.
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I think this will be the same for every country tbh.
 
One thing we chatted about a lot a couple of weeks back, but I’ve not seen any posted figures on (on here I mean), is our current ICU capacity Vs the amount of people needing such care.

Do we still have “spare” capacity?
 
jay_mcfc said:
I think this will be the same for every country tbh.
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Agree that it's not accurate up to a minute anywhere, but it looks more regular for most of the countries. Even USA looks more regular with all their states reporting separately. UK goes up-down each day in very frantic manner so far.
 
BosnianBlue said:
Agree that it's not accurate up to a minute anywhere, but it looks more regular for most of the countries. Even USA looks more regular with all their states reporting separately. UK goes up-down each day in very frantic manner so far.
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At the same time it strikes me as a bit weird that numbers are so similar day after day in certain countries. I think they're all handling them as best they can to try to manage the hype/sensationalism.
 
MCFC1993 said:
Getting to the point where a lack of resources, staff etc... is almost inadvertently forcing us down the herd immunity route, as the testing route becomes less effective.

Might be worth focusing on the 'have you had it' test as that might be more effective at narrowing down which areas and people are more at risk.
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Hmmmmm. I don't think so.

We have 25,000 known cases and people dying at the rate of 300 or 400 a day already. Let's suppose the actual infections is 100x that, and there are 2.5m infected. Waiting for 40m+ to be infected for herd immunity would mean 1,000's of people per day dying, for quite a while.

And what if there's only 10x infected? Then it's tens of thousands a day. There is no scenario where herd immunity is any kind of "solution". Absolute supression of this thing is the only way out without total carnage.
 
MCFC1993 said:
I would say things are more likely to get harsher before they get easier.

They'll ease into the services they reopen. Pubs and clubs will be the last places reopened in my opinion.
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I hope they do aswell.

it’s a depressing thought that so many will go to the pubs to celebrate when so many thousands have died
 
SWP's back said:
One thing we chatted about a lot a couple of weeks back, but I’ve not seen any posted figures on (on here I mean), is our current ICU capacity Vs the amount of people needing such care.

Do we still have “spare” capacity?
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We certainly do at hospitals in the Manchester area, from talking to people working at those hospitals. Not sure if the amount in other areas without outnumbers them though.
 
SWP's back said:
One thing we chatted about a lot a couple of weeks back, but I’ve not seen any posted figures on (on here I mean), is our current ICU capacity Vs the amount of people needing such care.

Do we still have “spare” capacity?
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I assume for the moment we’re ok in terms of capacity, not heard any noises similar to what’s happened in Italy yet.

I think the private sector giving the NHS use of pretty much all of their health care facilities will have helped a fair bit.
 
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