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I deal with China and HK daily and have done for the past 20 years. The people in China do not believe the figures reported in their own country.
We deal with factories in Ningbo and Anhui which are not too far from Wuhan .
The people there believe the figures are at least 4 times more than quoted,a friend in Ningbo believe it is 10 times more.
HK has 4 reported deaths which the HK people believe to be true.
Even before the CV virus HK people have experienced others and have always worn masks as a matter of course for coughs/colds etc and still 100% of people in our office and most of the population are wearing masks.
There is no lockdown in HK now but schools and univerities are still not open and thousands of restaurants/shops etc have gone out of business.
Tough times but even the Chinese do not believe their own government.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
pep never has.

always at it.
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All footballers do it. And clear their noses out. It’s fucking minging and really weird how they all roll around on the floor for 90 minutes rubbing their faces in everyone’s lung and sinus sputum.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
It's very noisy data but it's not useless. you just need to smooth the curves a little to see the trends. Point values are nothing more than that.
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The difference between 84 and 561 is far too great to put anything into a graph and show there are trends to any curves.
 
Why do the government need to get permission from the relatives of those who have died to include them in the stats? It's not like we are giving away personal information away
 
Hes the left back remember said:
I deal with China and HK daily and have done for the past 20 years. The people in China do not believe the figures reported in their own country.
We deal with factories in Ningbo and Anhui which are not too far from Wuhan .
The people there believe the figures are at least 4 times more than quoted,a friend in Ningbo believe it is 10 times more.
HK has 4 reported deaths which the HK people believe to be true.
Even before the CV virus HK people have experienced others and have always worn masks as a matter of course for coughs/colds etc and still 100% of people in our office and most of the population are wearing masks.
There is no lockdown in HK now but schools and univerities are still not open and thousands of restaurants/shops etc have gone out of business.
Tough times but even the Chinese do not believe their own government.
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Even the Chinese Police from other provinces don’t believe the Chinese figures as demonstrated when they wouldn’t lift the road blocks coming out of Wuhan last week.
 
crublue1 said:
Appreciate the positive review mate. I will try to suppress my irate feelings

Yeah but surely a few quid from the old lady wouldn't go amiss. It's time for the queen to make a real difference. An unprecedented gesture that would see her cemented in history as the monarch who actually cared for the British people. As it is she is hiding away like all rich self centred people do.
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I would like to think she has contributed mate and not done it for publicity. Would she be better courting publicity if she has done? I don't know. People like the queen are damned if they do and damned if they don't. She does not strike me as a heartless person and I think she would have done something.

gordondaviesmoustache said:
Some people struggle with the concept of what can and can’t constitute evidence.
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Could you clarify that with UEFA please mate.
 
55yr old teenager said:
Why do the government need to get permission from the relatives of those who have died to include them in the stats? It's not like we are giving away personal information away
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I think it’s bollocks and they’re saving up reporting death numbers and waiting until they can be used to show trends in the graphs.
 
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Nightmare Walking said:
I would like to think she has contributed mate and not done it for publicity. Would she be better courting publicity if she has done? I don't know. People like the queen are damned if they do and damned if they don't. She does not strike me as a heartless person and I think she would have done something.
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Agree with this
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
The pathway of the disease elsewhere, its contagion and mortality rate, the population density of China within urban areas and the Chinese government’s inveterate propensity for dissembling are all cogent elements of evidence to support that assertion.

There is nothing xenophobic about concluding that based on the foregoing, the Chinese figures are manifestly wrong.
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Aren't you a lawyer? Doesn't seem like it.

None of the above is *evidence* of China frigging the numbers. And moreover, you overlook two extremely salient points:

1. That China locked down much more severely and indeed more quickly than any other nation has done. Other countries have finally seen the light as to how to deal with this crisis, but in the west, every country has acted too late and compared to China, not as severely. We are attempting now to do what they did, albeit with a massively higher infection density to start with. It is entirely conceivable - IMO likely - that from that lower base and with their severe lock down, they did in fact manage to quickly get the new infection rate right down - as we are trying to do. And with that, the death rate has been restrained.

2. Were this not the case and China opened up its manufacturing base and it's ports once more - as it has done - whilst the disease was still rampant, then it would be running rife across the country with a death toll which not only I am sure would be unacceptable even to the Chinese (the word "even" added for the xenophobes), but also it would be at levels impossible to keep secret. Satellite surveillance if nothing else would uncover the vast mortuaries which would be needed. And anyway, the more westernised urban centres with countless western journalists would also be rife with it, and we'd know about it.

What we can logically conclude is that China *does* have this situation under control. Whether the peak number of deaths is higher than they admitted to, doubtless will come out over the fullness of time. But the constant wild speculation on here that they are lying about everything and anything is honestly quite pathethic.
 
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