COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Fair post and this is the nicest we’ve been to each other for a while, which says something.

By the way though, we’re currently discussing my anger at the diet of certain Chinese areas, which is susceptible to change.

My view against the Chinese state will be total disgust until the day they die and are replaced by the next dictator.

They’ve currently got Muslims in concentration camps, as we speak and are laying a political siege on Hong Kong. To say I hate the CCP, is an understatement.

As a libertarian, they’ll always be my enemy.

The diet aspect I may stray into language that can be perceived as bigotry, but I don’t mean it, I just cannot fathom their behaviour.

It’s such behaviour that has meant my mates’s grandad has died, my friends and family have lost loads of money and I cannot visit my lonely old nan.

I’m heart on my sleeve kind of guy and I’m fucking pissed off.

I don’t think I can be angry at a diet. I’m not a vegan. Chickens are dirty bastards, but we eat them daily.

This might be contrary to your view of me, as you probably have me down as a commie, Corbyn supporter, but I simply can’t hate a nation like you do. Labour has lost its shit over Israel because of how they hate the regime there. You’ve spent months castigating those people in the politics subforum for blind hatred. I agree. However, you seem to be doing the same with China in this instance.

I am massively uncomfortable with their treatment of their Muslims (Israel comparison?), but I am not in a position to do anything and don’t think it is relevant in our politics.

I can see you are a heart on your sleeves kind of guy and it’s admirable in many ways, but it’s not great online as the passion overtakes rationale and it becomes divisive and makes it passionate and aggressive where rationaled debate is better,

 

[meltonblue]

My view is that China hid it, thinking they didn’t want to fuck their economy and way of life, and hid it and hid it until they thought bollocks it’s out of control now we have to inform everyone.

They did that and locked down to contain but didn’t want to publish the damage, so they hid tens of thousands of deaths and millions of cases, likely.

The problem is, amongst these lies, and they’re also definitely to blame, the west gambled on it by not crashing their economies with authoritarianism measures and now we’re having to do that anyway, as it was always inevitable.

Had the west known earlier though, we would have imposed the measures earlier and many lives would have been saved.

That’s why I blame China. The lies were detrimental to every other country.

Now our own governments deserve criticism but not as much as those cunts.

That doesn’t make any sense though, it did completely screw China’s economy. Which way of life are you thinking they were trying to protect? They’ve banned wet markets already apart from a couple of provinces that are holding out. Hubei hiding it, absolutely, but there’s no chance the Chinese central government would have done at that time, the last thing they would have wanted was it spreading to the rest of their country for the same reasons the rest of the world wouldn’t either.

What the CCP would push is their ability of containment post lockdown but that’s only happening now and in the last month - when they went into lockdown, for the month after, they were criticising Hubei and Wuhan authorities in particular for not allowing the doctors to speak. Their Supreme Court even ruled on it.

The west did know earlier, it even got referenced in Trumps press conference tonight. We had a whole month of doing nothing while China were in lockdown regardless after they’d told us the contagion and mortality rate but Dr Birx even said that China had confirmed H2H transmission in mid January, the week before the WHO confirmed it was sustained transmission (which they also said the week before but retracted).

You’re conflating issues and the worrying thing is you’re saying all the exact false narrative that is trying to be pushed. It doesn’t mean part of it won’t be true but it’s almost word for word what is wanting to be said and talked about right now. Even the had the west known, we didn’t even need to look at China at all, we had evidence ourselves in Italy and still didn’t lockdown for two weeks, allowing mass gatherings. We still haven’t locked down to the extent China did three days after sustained transmission was confirmed (and they’d had at that time 17 deaths), even with the death count we’ve seen ourselves.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I don’t hate the entire nation of China, it’s too many people and stereotyping isn’t my thing.

I am just fucked off at the lifestyles of a minority of them and think they need to sort their own shit out.

Had this happened in England, with people eating particularly gruesome stuff, to cause it. I’d be all over stopping it myself but they are seemingly letting it happen still, apparently the wet markets where it happened are back open, according to the Telegraph, Mirror etc. which I’m sure you can take for a pinch of salt but still, it wouldn’t surprise me.

The Easter European who reports into me came back from China. She’s not normally racist and has been all over the Far East, subcontinent, south east Asia etc. She’s already been to Cambodia and Myanmar in January this year for example and loved it. Her exact words were and apologies to anyone for any offence “I Love Asia and the people, but the Chinese are dirty bastards, I realised it quickly there”.

I appreciate this is inflammatory language but she was speaking to me honestly and confidentially and she said others in the region thought that of them.

Well Israel is complicated considering its surroundings and I agree it’s another thread, so I won’t comment on that.

I don’t see you as a commie, I suspected it though, there are a few on here no doubt.

There’s only so much governments can do.

I guess our equivalent would be if dodgy ketamine dealers sold a virus ridden batch.

Wet markets per se aren’t the problem. They are fucking dodgy though. It’s the traders that take it further that seem to be the issue. How does a government deal with that? If the Chinese found out who they were, they wouldn’t be shy in putting a bullet through their skull.

With all that being said, this virus would have happened at some point. They do. It just happened to be a guy eating a dodgy bat at an illegal stall near a wet market.

At the moment, I don’t really care about that though. I want 100% accurate tests ASAP. That’s what I am most bothered about.

 

[Ban-jani]

That doesn’t make any sense though, it did completely screw China’s economy. Which way of life are you thinking they were trying to protect? They’ve banned wet markets already apart from a couple of provinces that are holding out. Hubei hiding it, absolutely, but there’s no chance the Chinese central government would have done at that time, the last thing they would have wanted was it spreading to the rest of their country for the same reasons the rest of the world wouldn’t either.

What the CCP would push is their ability of containment post lockdown but that’s only happening now and in the last month - when they went into lockdown, for the month after, they were criticising Hubei and Wuhan authorities in particular for not allowing the doctors to speak. Their Supreme Court even ruled on it.

The west did know earlier, it even got referenced in Trumps press conference tonight. We had a whole month of doing nothing while China were in lockdown regardless after they’d told us the contagion and mortality rate but Dr Birx even said that China had confirmed H2H transmission in mid January, the week before the WHO confirmed it was sustained transmission (which they also said but retracted).

You’re conflating issues and the worrying thing is you’re saying all the exact false narrative that is trying to be pushed. It doesn’t mean part of it won’t be true but it’s almost word for word what is wanting to be said and talked about right now. Even the had the west known, we didn’t even need to look at China at all, we had evidence ourselves in Italy and still didn’t lockdown for two weeks, allowing mass gatherings. We still haven’t locked down to the extent China did even with the death count we’ve seen ourselves.

You’ve missed my point about the economy in China.

Like us, they didn’t act quick enough because acting would undoubtedly ruin the economy.

We waited and waited because the measures needed were very strong and economic suicide. It was hard to do whilst it wasn’t ravaging Britain.

Similarly the CCP didn’t want to kill their economy but they covered it up for weeks and weeks, burying their heads and were far more sinister in their denial.

I understand it, I just don’t forgive them for it as it will eventually cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

You’re underestimating the CCP if you think the local government covered it up over the CCP. There’s no way they didn’t know in December and there’s no way they haven’t lied, hugely, since.

I’ve no doubt the West weren’t naive and slow mate, very much so too.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

You’ve missed my point about the economy in China.

Like us, they didn’t act quick enough because acting would undoubtedly ruin the economy.

We waited and waited because the measures needed were very strong and economic suicide. It was hard to do whilst it wasn’t ravaging Britain.

Similarly the CCP didn’t want to kill their economy but they covered it up for weeks and weeks, burying their heads and were far more sinister in their denial.

I understand it, I just don’t forgive them for it as it will eventually cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

You’re underestimating the CCP if you think the local government covered it up over the CCP. There’s no way they didn’t know in December and there’s no way they haven’t lied, hugely, since.

I’ve no doubt the West weren’t naive and slow mate, very much so too.

There is a slight mitigating factor that is they were dealing with the unknown.

What their correspondence with the WHO was at the time will determine how much they covered up and how much was a WHO failing.

It’s not important now unless a new pandemic virus starts.

We need to be focussing all our attention in finding a treatment and a vaccine.

The rest is for later.

 

[JRockBlues]

I honestly don't think anyone should be playing the blame game right now. Everyone should be putting all their efforts into doing as much as they can to get through this terrible situation the world is in at this moment. The only thing I can think of right now is that we still haven't seen the worst of it. Imagine if this virus takes hold in places like INdia or on the African continent. I shudder to think of the death toll should that happen.

 

[BlueAnorak]

BJ, just to be contentious as usual.

was you this outspoken against America/Mexico after the swine flu outbreak from pig farms over there ?
And what action should the world have taken against America/Mexico for that outbreak ? which some estimates put world deaths near half a million.

The species jump for Swine Flu occured in central Mexico, but the virus had been latent in pigs for 6 months prior to the outbreak and from live pig sales, it could have originated in Central America, China or SE Asia. Veterinarians had not picked up the disease in US pigs prior to the species jump.

 

[BlueAnorak]

The worlds virologists have been telling China for decades that to minimise virus species jumps:
1. You can't rear animals of different species together and sell them at markets where they can mix with other animals during the sale process.
2. You can't keep/sell live animals in a market and slaughter other animals in the same market with the blood and gore splashing on live animals and certainly not live animals of different species.
The latter is what happens in a wet market. The former is what happens on Chinese farms.
Markets and Slaughter houses have to be separated! Also, animals of different species should be kept apart where possible - certainly on commercial farms.
Both practices have to change and China must be ostracized till the CPP gets it's act together. Otherwise we just wait for the next viral species jump.

 

[BosnianBlue]

1400 deaths in USA alone on Friday.

 

[i8rags]

I noticed in Lidl today that they've got disposable BBQs at the ready. The temptation will be too great for some but I'm quitely confident that the overwhelming majority will refrain.
We've too much invested in this now to take a backward step.

Can have one in your garden. We’re not dead yet.

 

[i8rags]

We did and picked China. They have the tech, the US are years behind(never mind the UK)

The U.K. will promise to keep throwing work to China and they will promise to give us the best 5G and a head start on any 3rd country

we need what they are selling

We don’t need 5g.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

How many churches in America are open and full of loons. If they get the virus lets hope they keep it to themselves

 

[SWP's back]

Because of this, it could be a good time to write off all governmental debts as I think there will have to be some amnesty globally to stop everybody plunging into mad recessions.

It may well reset the global economy, so why not start at zero everywhere.

Because that, in itself, would absolutely crash the economy. It would mean defaulting on all government bonds (Gilts), which currently pay for every pension in payment and make up around half the value of every pension fund that’s not paying out. The reason that every pension fund holds them are because they are considered “risk free”. They are effectively £1,000 notes that pay the bearer somewhere between 0.5-5% per year for their term (1-15/20 years as a rule).

I’ll tell you now, you can absolutely 100% forget that as an idea. Won’t happen, can’t happen, never going to happen. It won’t even be floated as an idea by anyone.

 

[BobKowalski]

We don’t need 5g.

A 4g UK can’t compete in a world running on 5g.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Can have one in your garden. We’re not dead yet.

Obviously.

 

[kippax4ever]

QE11 is coming on the box on Sunday just prior to Antiques Roadshow btw to tell us due to the lockdown and not going out much, she will be transferring her £100M + sovereign grant to the NHS for the mutha of all Xmas parties before telling the nation she will be opening the grounds of Balmoral and Sandringham for free camping for all.

You forgot all the tax evasion billionaires & bankers also with their country estates..who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire..

 

[kippax4ever]

I’ve had a sore throat and slightly tighter chest with occasional dry coughs since the Wednesday after Wembley. No fever or any other symptoms and I fine otherwise. I’ve no idea if I have it. None of my household have got it, so probably not.

I guess human nature means that every little cough you make, your mind immediately thinks you’ve got it.

that every little cough you make, your mind immediately thinks you’ve got it.

Went for a medical yesterday the doc said drop your pants,then cupped my balls but didn't say cough.thougt that's a bit weird even with the shit that going on.

 

[Rammy Blue]

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/03/30/science.abb6936

The suggestion here is that the time span between incubation period whilst being infectious and showing symptoms can be large. This would bypass or otherwise make social distancing much less effective. It renders manual contact tracking redundant. Not great news sadly but it is what it is.

I disagree about it lessening the effectiveness of social distancing, that’s about all we can do until a vaccine comes along, however it does prove that contact tracing is utterly pointless.

 

[bluemoon32]

that every little cough you make, your mind immediately thinks you’ve got it.

Went for a medical yesterday the doc said drop your pants,then cupped my balls but didn't say cough.thougt that's a bit weird even with the shit that going on.

It's called a reach-around

 

[Chippy_boy]

I disagree about it lessening the effectiveness of social distancing, that’s about all we can do until a vaccine comes along, however it does prove that contact tracing is utterly pointless.

South Korea's results would suggest contact tracing works, wouldn't they?